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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    Vick has been convicted in the court of law. Ben has never been charged let alone convicted - merely accused. Glad to see that you subscribe to the American concept in jurisprudence that a man is innocent until proven guilty as opposed to the leftist concept that a man is guilty until proven innocent.
    While I may subscribe to that as a matter of law, that does not mean I have to buy into it as a matter of my beliefs or attitudes towards others.

    There are thousands who have either never been charged or convicted due to technicalities, deal making or other quasi-legal reasons. That does not mean they are innocent, just that they are not legally guilty.

    Big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madisonian View Post
    While I may subscribe to that as a matter of law, that does not mean I have to buy into it as a matter of my beliefs or attitudes towards others.

    There are thousands who have either never been charged or convicted due to technicalities, deal making or other quasi-legal reasons. That does not mean they are innocent, just that they are not legally guilty.

    Big difference.
    Depends on which team they play for.;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
    If it happend once I'd agree but how many times has he been Accused? at least 2 or 3 times if i'm not mistaken.

    I guess in your mind OJ is innocent of murder because he was never found guility in a court of law.
    And despite those three accusations - there has never been enough evidence to bring charges. Look - I freely admit the man has judgment issues - he does as well. The fact remains - accusations are not enough.

    OJ was found guilty though - remember?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel Yell View Post
    No reason to fire the man if he's never convicted. But come on, you know he atleast groped some girls that didn't want to be groped.
    Do I? I've seen first hand the damage a girl can do to a mans career by making false accusations such as these - and I've seen girls put themselves in harms way and then sober up and accuse the guy of rape or assault. Hell - rape as a concept has been cheapened to the point that the term now includes any instance of sex where the woman decides after the fact that she regrets doing it is now rape.
    Let it happen again, and the Rooney's will ship his ass out in a minute. Then you'll pile on. Trust me, I'm an Atlanta fan. Getting rid of Vick was the best that has happened to the Falcons.
    If it happens again - the Rooney's would be well justified in shipping him off. They do not put up with crap which is why we no longer have Jeff Reed or Santonio Holmes - both great players who simply refused to control themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madisonian View Post
    While I may subscribe to that as a matter of law, that does not mean I have to buy into it as a matter of my beliefs or attitudes towards others.

    There are thousands who have either never been charged or convicted due to technicalities, deal making or other quasi-legal reasons. That does not mean they are innocent, just that they are not legally guilty.

    Big difference.
    True - but if you're a Christian - then you should be subscribing to the concept that 2 or 3 agreeing witnesses are needed to establish truth. Without the agreeing witnesses - all you have is allegations and gossip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
    I don't like vick as a person or a QB but he served his time unlike Lewis or big Ben. (i don't put dogs above humans) so imho murder, rape is worse.

    In polis case its ok for to cheer for big Ben since he is on the steelers
    To me, it is not a matter of putting dogs or other animals over humans, it is a matter of the powerful forcing their way on those unable to defend themselves.

    I have yet to see anybody that could subject another living being to that kind of intentional cruelty and torture not carry that same viciousness into other areas of their so called lives.

    So in that regard, I hold Vick to the same contempt I have for murderers, child molesters, rapists, and other sociopathetic personalities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    True - but if you're a Christian - then you should be subscribing to the concept that 2 or 3 agreeing witnesses are needed to establish truth. Without the agreeing witnesses - all you have is allegations and gossip.
    So if ones spouse is raped or murdered and there are no witnesses, it didn't happen?
    Sorry, wrong part of the Bible for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madisonian View Post
    So if ones spouse is raped or murdered and there are no witnesses, it didn't happen?
    Sorry, wrong part of the Bible for me.
    Right because when someone is actually raped there is no other evidence to give witness to the effect that the rape happened, right? No bruises . . . . no physical trauma? No psychological damage?

    And that's the thing - these women have no evidence and nothing but accusations - accusations that have fallen apart under scrutiny which is why no charges were ever filed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    And despite those three accusations - there has never been enough evidence to bring charges. Look - I freely admit the man has judgment issues - he does as well. The fact remains - accusations are not enough.

    OJ was found guilty though - remember?
    OJ was found innocent of the murders

    OJ was found guilty of being responsible for their deaths in a CIVIL court the burden of proof is far less than that of a criminal court

    BIG differences
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    Right because when someone is actually raped there is no other evidence to give witness to the effect that the rape happened, right? No bruises . . . . no physical trauma? No psychological damage?

    And that's the thing - these women have no evidence and nothing but accusations - accusations that have fallen apart under scrutiny which is why no charges were ever filed.
    Lots of men treat women like shit without raping them. I don't think Ben raped anyone. I think he's a fondler. He's always struck me as an overgrown frat boy. He just rubs me the wrong way. Pittsburgh could have easily won those Super Bowls without him. He makes the clutch plays when called on, but he's never carried the team. The first Super Bowl he won was won in spite of, not because of Ben. Hell, Randle El threw the big touchdown pass. I think Ben's a good QB, but not a great one.
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