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    By A. G. SULZBERGER
    Published: February 10, 2011

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    Smokers now face another risk from their habit: it could cost them a shot at a job.

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    More hospitals and medical businesses in many states are adopting strict policies that make smoking a reason to turn away job applicants, saying they want to increase worker productivity, reduce health care costs and encourage healthier living.

    The policies reflect a frustration that softer efforts — like banning smoking on company grounds, offering cessation programs and increasing health care premiums for smokers — have not been powerful-enough incentives to quit.

    The new rules essentially treat cigarettes like an illegal narcotic. Applications now explicitly warn of “tobacco-free hiring,” job seekers must submit to urine tests for nicotine and new employees caught smoking face termination.

    This shift — from smoke-free to smoker-free workplaces — has prompted sharp debate, even among anti-tobacco groups, over whether the policies establish a troubling precedent of employers intruding into private lives to ban a habit that is legal.

    “If enough of these companies adopt theses policies and it really becomes difficult for smokers to find jobs, there are going to be consequences,” said Dr. Michael Siegel, a professor at the Boston University School of Public Health, who has written about the trend. “Unemployment is also bad for health.”

    Smokers have been turned away from jobs in the past — prompting more than half the states to pass laws rejecting bans on smokers — but the recent growth in the number of companies adopting no-smoker rules has been driven by a surge of interest among health care providers, according to academics, human resources experts and tobacco opponents.

    There is no reliable data on how many businesses have adopted such policies. But people tracking the issue say there are enough examples to suggest the policies are becoming more mainstream, and in some states courts have upheld the legality of refusing to employ smokers.

    For example, hospitals in Florida, Georgia, Massachusetts, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Texas, among others, stopped hiring smokers in the last year and more are openly considering the option.

    “We’ve had a number of inquiries over the last 6 to 12 months about how to do this,” said Paul Terpeluk, a director at the Cleveland Clinic, which stopped hiring smokers in 2007 and has championed the policy. “The trend line is getting pretty steep, and I’d guess that in the next few years you’d see a lot of major hospitals go this way.”

    A number of these organizations have justified the new policies as advancing their institutional missions of promoting personal well-being and finding ways to reduce the growth in health care costs.

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    And yet when Christian and values based organizations make the same choice about another behavioral preference - they're accused of bigotry.
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    Tift Regional Hospital is pulling this same bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel Yell View Post
    Tift Regional Hospital is pulling this same bullshit.
    Are they banning practicing homosexuals as well? I mean statistically that lifestyle is far more costly and dangerous than that of a smoker. OH WAIT - that would be bigotry of they did that.
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    As a smoker, business owner and conservative, I agree with these companies rights to enforce policies like this.
    There is a caveat to this however.
    As a business owner and conservative, I believe it is my right to hire or fire whomever I choose for whatever reason, or lack thereof, I choose.

    If I don't want to hire X because they are white, black, have families, are whatever religion, basically every reason that the government says I can't discriminate in hiring or firing practices, it is my right as the business owner, capital provider and risk taker to run my business as I see fit, not some governmental dweeb or social entity.

    Working for someone else is not a right, regardless of what laws politicians pass on a state or federal level. This should not be confused with a right to work. No person legally in this country should have the government tell them they cannot work. But saying that I must hire a person based on any criteria other than what I choose that criteria to be is immoral and that should be illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madisonian View Post
    As a smoker, business owner and conservative, I agree with these companies rights to enforce policies like this.
    There is a caveat to this however.
    As a business owner and conservative, I believe it is my right to hire or fire whomever I choose for whatever reason, or lack thereof, I choose.
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    If you have fewer than 15 employees you are exempt from most of those oppressive laws. Is your complaint that the law forces you to hire people you don't want to work with, or that if you discriminate that public attention might be drawn to your prejudices?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    If you have fewer than 15 employees you are exempt from most of those oppressive laws. Is your complaint that the law forces you to hire people you don't want to work with, or that if you discriminate that public attention might be drawn to your prejudices?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    If you have fewer than 15 employees you are exempt from most of those oppressive laws. Is your complaint that the law forces you to hire people you don't want to work with, or that if you discriminate that public attention might be drawn to your prejudices?
    Nowhere did I say that as a business owner I should be exempt from the consequences of hiring practices, discriminatory or not, but if I want to hire only red headed women with green eyes and freckles, then that should be up to me and only me, not any governmental power or agency.
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    Smokers are mad and obvioulsy suciidal - I pity them for they are addicts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    If you have fewer than 15 employees you are exempt from most of those oppressive laws. Is your complaint that the law forces you to hire people you don't want to work with, or that if you discriminate that public attention might be drawn to your prejudices?
    The freedom of association granted to us by the U.S. Constitution also implies freedom not to associate. You and those like you wish to deny me this freedom.
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