Results 1 to 7 of 7
  1. #1 Condi Op-Ed on Egypt 
    Best Bounty Hunter in the Forums fettpett's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Southwest Michigan (in Exile)
    Posts
    8,757
    Pretty interesting read form someone who know the situation in the Middle East pretty well

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021504306.html
    The future of a democratic Egypt


    Discussion Policy

    By Condoleezza Rice
    Wednesday, February 16, 2011
    As I watched Hosni Mubarak address the Egyptian people last week, I thought to myself, "It didn't have to be this way."

    THIS STORY
    The future of a democratic Egypt
    Channeling Egypt's energy of the crowd into positive change
    The upsides of Egypt's revolution
    View All Items in This Story
    In June 2005, as secretary of state, I arrived at the American University in Cairo to deliver a speech at a time of growing momentum for democratic change in the region. Following in the vein of President George W. Bush's second inaugural address, I said that the United States would stand with people who seek freedom. This was an admission that the United States had, in the Middle East more than any other region, sought stability at the expense of democracy, and had achieved neither. It was an affirmation of our belief that the desire for liberty is universal - not Western, but human - and that only fulfillment of that desire leads to true stability.

    For a time it seemed that Egypt's leadership was responding - not so much to us but to their own people, who clamored for change. Egyptians had just witnessed the retreat of Syrian troops in Lebanon and the election of a new government; the purple-fingered free elections in Iraq; and the emergence of new leadership in Palestine. A few months later, freer if not fully free presidential elections followed raucous civic debate in Egypt's cafes and online. Though Mubarak's party won overwhelmingly, it seemed a kind of Rubicon had been crossed.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  2. #2  
    Senior Member Arroyo_Doble's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Ft Worth
    Posts
    3,788
    Excellent piece and I agree for the most part. I like her recipe for our foreign policy toward Egypt being "influenc[ing] them through our ties to the military, links to civil society, and a promise of economic assistance and free trade to help improve the lot of the Egyptian people."

    I do think this bit was unfair to Turkey, though:

    This struggle is playing out across the region - in Iraq, Lebanon and especially Turkey, where decades of secularism have given way to the accommodation of religious people in the public square.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  3. #3  
    Senior Member Constitutionally Speaking's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    4,301
    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Excellent piece and I agree for the most part. I like her recipe for our foreign policy toward Egypt being "influenc[ing] them through our ties to the military, links to civil society, and a promise of economic assistance and free trade to help improve the lot of the Egyptian people."

    I do think this bit was unfair to Turkey, though:

    This struggle is playing out across the region - in Iraq, Lebanon and especially Turkey, where decades of secularism have given way to the accommodation of religious people in the public square.


    I don't think she went far enough with Turkey. It isn't mere accommodation, that would be commendable. It is capitulation on many things and moving toward radicalism that concern me there.
    I long for the days when our President actually liked our country.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #4  
    Senior Member Arroyo_Doble's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Ft Worth
    Posts
    3,788
    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutionally Speaking View Post
    I don't think she went far enough with Turkey. It isn't mere accommodation, that would be commendable. It is capitulation on many things and moving toward radicalism that concern me there.
    They are fighting over whether or not (so far, not) women can wear the hijab in public buildings. I am not sure wanting to wear a head scarf is all that "radical."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #5  
    Best Bounty Hunter in the Forums fettpett's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Southwest Michigan (in Exile)
    Posts
    8,757
    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    It's not wanting. It's forcing women to wear a head scarf. There is a big differance.
    and the Turkey Constitution specifically separates religion from the Government...so if they stay within their Laws, it'll get thrown out, as it should
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #6  
    Senior Member Arroyo_Doble's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Ft Worth
    Posts
    3,788
    Quote Originally Posted by fettpett View Post
    and the Turkey Constitution specifically separates religion from the Government...so if they stay within their Laws, it'll get thrown out, as it should
    It goes back and forth. I think the latest was it got tossed. Turkey is pretty protective of their secularism (somehow "secular" is a dirty word in America but not in Turkey .... weird).
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #7  
    Zoomie djones520's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    St. Louis
    Posts
    10,072
    There is nothing "dirty" about the word. What is dirty is the way some people try to inhibit other peoples views through "secularism".

    I have spent nearly a year in a secular muslim country, and I've gotta say it works very well. Women are on equal footing, so much that the current President is a woman. The people love the western world. Walking down town, it was obvious we were Americans, and people would stop to shake our hands, college students would yell out about how they love America, etc...

    Countries like that show me that there is nothing wrong with Islam. It's just how some people have managed to twist it.
    In most sports, cold-cocking an opposing player repeatedly in the face with a series of gigantic Slovakian uppercuts would get you a multi-game suspension without pay.

    In hockey, it means you have to sit in the penalty box for five minutes.
    Reply With Quote  
     

Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •