Can someone explain the right's logic in attacking Planned Parenthood? Is it just abo

[Carol]

This is a fun thread. It shows how overly emotional and intellectually dishonest most of those who are pro abortion are. The one person who gives an honest answer based on facts and not lies and emotion is attacked.


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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-20-11 09:03 PM
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Can someone explain the right's logic in attacking Planned Parenthood? Is it just abortion?

Other than for the obvious issue of abortion and PP, what is the right's reason for going after funding for PP? Is it just that one aspect of PP? Because if it is not for that single issue, then it makes no ideological sense why the right wants to end the funding of PP.

haikugal Donating Member (171 posts) Sun Feb-20-11 09:12 PM
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2. They want to put women in their 'place'...

It's about angry white men exercising their 'manhood' and control over women.

Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-20-11 09:22 PM
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6. It's not a diversion.

They are raging misogynists with a toxic hatred of the poor.

Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-20-11 09:20 PM
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4. The patriarchy is the basic building block of authoritarian hierarchy.

Women who can control their reproduction are not as easy to keep in their place.

Right. And that's why there are so many women who are pro life.

david13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-20-11 09:21 PM
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5. A witch hunt. Sexism. A diversionary tactic. Bible thumping gone

insane. Hypocrisy.
They want limited government but then here they want the government to go to absurd personal invasive extents.
Whatever.
dc

Right. Because not allowing murder of unborn babies is "going to absurd personal invasive extents".

Guilded Lilly (683 posts) Sun Feb-20-11 09:23 PM
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7. The Republicans cannot hide behind abortion anymore...

as their only reason for wanting to destroy planned parenthood. They simply and blatantly hate women having ANY power. Unless, of course, those woman can be easily controlled.

Today's Republicans are driven by fear and loathing and greed.

Since their November wins, as expected,the "we're here to create JOBS* lying Republican reps in the House are attacking not just Planned Parenthood, but also
NPR and PBS. Heaven forbid that anything be allowed to support women in any way, and help to create intelligent children and educated people. Republicans as usual fear intelligent, informed people and strong, independent women. They are much too hard for them to control.

I hear more hatred of women from liberals than from conservatives that's for sure. Especially when it is sexist remarks.

riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-20-11 09:29 PM
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9. There is a subtext of Rethugs who want to eliminate easy access to contraception.

They hate women and hate that we have choices now. Our ability to now decide when or if we want to have children is maddening to them. It takes away all of their control. Whether it's religiously motivated control of women, or just plain misogyny doesn't matter. They want to take away all equal rights gains that women have managed to create for ourselves in the past 50 years.

Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-20-11 09:30 PM
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10. So far

you have not received in reply to your OP any good faith attempts to explain the right's logic regarding ending federal taxpayer funding of PP. Although I am not on the right, I will do my best to articulate their reasoning on this issue, because I believe I understand it.

They believe that abortion is morally objectionable and they object to their tax dollars funding abortions. Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the United States, and receives hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars. Even if those dollars are sequestered such that they do not pay directly for abortions, they pay for the facilities, the utilities, the salaries, and the operating costs of the PP locations where abortions are performed. Since money is fungible, it makes little difference whether the federal taxpayer dollars are nominally devoted to non-abortion business. The taxpayer funding still finances abortion by subsidizing the business that carries it out.

That is the reasoning of the right on this issue. Their reasoning is not that they wish to wage a "war against women" or any other nonsense. If the left wishes to win this debate, it must address the actual argument, rather than invent strawmen.

Rational, fair remarks about what many conservatives believe about abortion.

Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-20-11 09:34 PM
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13. So you deny that outlawing contraception is a core plank of the "Pro Life" movement?

You deny that most of the major "Pro Life" organizations in this country consider oral contraceptives to be abortifacents and morally indistinguishable from surgical abortion?

You deny that the HLA, as advocated by the anti-choice movement for several decades now, is written in such a way that oral contraceptives would be criminalized, and women using IUDs, for instance, might be guilty of "carrying a concealed murder weapon"?

You don't grasp the insanity that logically follows from calling fertilized eggs human beings under the 14th Amendment, which is what the opposition to planned parenthood is really about?

Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-20-11 09:31 PM
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11. No. They want to institute Biblical Law and outlaw non-procreative fucking.

Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 09:31 PM by Warren DeMontague
The real goal has always been not just to overturn Roe v. Wade, but also Griswold v. Connecticut.

kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-20-11 09:58 PM
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16. Hating Women has no logic

According to religious taboo, women are to be kept subject to insemination by men at any moment --by rape, by incest and, if absolutely necessary, by consent. They should never ever think they have control over their own bodies. Historically, Planned Parenthood has been an enemy of the messengers of the All-Inseminating, Everlashing God on the issue of abortion. That will never be forgot. Birth control for women, a blasphemy itself, leads to them stretching forth their hands next to take from the Tree of Reproductive Autonomy, the most forbidden of all rebellions against the Penis Father, Penis Son, and Penis Spirit. If Birth Control is allowed to exist, abortion becomes more likely. Even if Abortion was eradicated they would carry on and extend their war to then eliminate Birth Control. Inflicting as much harm as possible to Planned Parenthood therefore is enjoined upon all believers as a duty of faith. It's payback time for decades of sowing rebellion among women against their godly duties as baby factories, and a prophylaxis against the Planned Parenthood organization ever again acting as a provider of abortions or a disseminator of information on abortion. It's not enough to defeat Planned Parenthood's mission to enable reproductive freedom for women. Their house must be knocked down, their fields must be razed, and the ground plowed with salt.

That may be a mite shocking in tone, but that's all the logic to be found in the Religious Right's war on the uterus.

[AmPat]

I confess, I could not read every single digit of idiocy. I scanned the usual idiocy and find that as usual, the left makes no effort to understand or define the issue accurately. They have no intention to dabate this issue. A simple google of facts on PP would show that they are the leading abortion providers and a cover story that seems to outwardly support "parenthood" instead of butchering fetuses.

[Dan D. Doty]

What can you say ???

The Moonbat motto, Billions for proganda, not one cent for intellgence.

No wonder they lose every f*ckin' argument, they have NO IDEA how other people think whatsoever

[movie buff]

LONG POST AHEAD!
This is my 1,000th post here at CU (It's been great so far, hopefully it'll continue to be great), and coincidentally enough, I'm using it to address one of my favorite "Standard DU thread/ rant" genres for shooting down, as an aspiring minister: Threads in which the DUmmies wallow in their intense bigotry and hatred of all things Christian in nature like pigs wallowing in mud.
As others have noted, they claim that all conservative pro- lifers are evil misogynists who hate women, never mind the fact that many of the most outspoken pro- life activists are women, including the woman who was the "Roe" in Roe v. Wade, but who since has gone on to become one of the country's most outspoken pro- life advocates, as well as early feminist leaders such as Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton (The former of the two had the distinction of being the first person to coin the term "Baby murder" to describe abortion).
On the subject, the DUmmies accusing us of racism for opposing abortion is equally laughable. For just one example, at the San Francisco Walk for Life rally last year, many of the pro- lifers taking part were minorities, especially Hispanic girls. In contrast, the paltry collection of liberal pro- choice counterprotestors spewing obscene comments at them and throwing condoms at them were almost entirely lily- white. Oh, and what makes it even MORE absurd is that Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was an ardent, unabashed racist and eugenicist who viewed abortion as a way to decrease the number of "Unfit" people (i.e. people of racial minorities), and to that end deliberately sought to have PP clinics set up near predominantly black neighborhoods in order to lessen their populations.

Zebedeo injects a little sense into the discussion, for which I'm sure he will be tombstoned within a week.

"Since their November wins, as expected,the "we're here to create JOBS* lying Republican reps in the House are attacking not just Planned Parenthood, but also
NPR and PBS. Heaven forbid that anything be allowed to support women in any way, and help to create intelligent children and educated people. Republicans as usual fear intelligent, informed people and strong, independent women. They are much too hard for them to control. "
There's a whole lotta idiocy and hypocrisy going on in that comment:
1. When have Republicans ever "Attacked" NPR or PBS, beyond simply not watching them?
2. The DUmmy claims we are opposed to "Intelligent children" and "Educated people," yet the DUmmies have no problem whatsoever with the fact that many Wisconsin children are being (Temporarily, at least) deprived of an education because the lazy, selfish slugs in the teachers' unions believe that ditching work to go throw a temper tantrum is more important than doing their civic duty and teaching the students who have been entrusted to them.
3. Again going along with their claims that conservatives are opposed to intelligent children and educated people, isn't it the left who believes kids should be taught revisionist history about how America's a horrible, pure evil abomination that needs to be either destroyed or turned into a Socialist nation, and regularly seeks to ban classic works of literature like 'To Kill a Mockingbird' and 'The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn' from schools?
4. The people who support reinstating the Fairness Doctrine to silence conservative viewpoints in the public forum would accuse Republicans of keeping people from being informed in order to make them easier to control? Now, that is funny.
Interestingly enough, it would appear that two of the spotlighted DUmmies in this thread named themselves after rather obscure fictional TV characters: Warren DeMontague (Named after the ape puppet character from the short- lived TV series 'Greg the Bunny' and his own even more short- lived spinoff series 'Warren the Ape'), and Kenny Blankenship (Named after one of the hosts of the genuinely hilarious Japanese game show parody 'Most Extreme Elimination Challenge,' aka 'MXC'). Neither are characters who are exactly viewed as good role models (It would be kind of the equivalent of my using the handle "Peter Griffin" or "Eric Cartman"), yet both fit the DUmmies taking their names quite well:
Warren DeMontague on 'Greg the Bunny' was a pompous, condescending prick who always went out of his way to show how much better and more talented he was than his costars. "Warren Demontague" the DUmmy is a pompous, condescending prick who goes out of his way to try and show how intellectually and morally superior he is to any who would dare seek to protect the unborn. Kenny Blankenship on 'MXC' was a childish, idiotic (Albeit very funny) jackass whose mind was constantly in the gutter, making him a good foil for his more sober cohost, Vic Romano. "kenny blankenship" the DUmmy is a childish, idiotic jackass whose mind appears to be constantly in the gutter based on the content of his post (i.e. his remarks on the Holy Trinity), though he appears to be at least twice as stupid as the TV character, and unlike the TV character, he's not funny in the least.

Oh, and one more thing: It appears none of them, not even Zebedeo, acknowledge that a big part of the reason why conservative/ Christian opposition to Planned Parenthood has intensified so much recently has been because of the recent scandals involving a Planned Parenthood employee being caught openly offering to assist in the sexual trafficking of minors. Evangelical Christians have always been at the forefront of anti- slavery endeavors, be it against the African slave trade centuries ago, or against the sex- trafficking (Especially of minors) industry going on today all over the world.
So, once again, the DUmmies reveal that if they want to confront bigotry, they should start by looking in a mirror.

[NJCardFan]

I've yet to get an honest answer from liberals on this question:

You are pro abortion but anti death penalty. Why?