I posted this video today from the Heritiage Foundation
and I got this response from my buddy:
I then repliedI had an entire response to how offended I was by that video and why it proves you're not interested in listening to arguments about rights and merits, you're just interested in stats manipulated to make us (yes, I've dispensed with the second and third person, you are talking about me) look bad, whereas if we use stats that the source misrepresented, it's simply to edify us, not slam the opposition.
There was a lot more about what it takes to be a teacher and such, but the jist of it is, if you're supporting this bill, you're supporting taking away my rights to make a living according to the work that I've done.
If you're actually interested in hearing a sound argument, I suggest you start making one.
I also asked if he watched the video, I got this response back from him:Well I had a message written out and it got deleted.
First of all I respect you and all our friends that are teachers. Your dad was awesome. I can't teach and I don't have any desire to teach.
That said, no rights are being taken away. I've posted a link to the bill, either on yours or Kirsta's threads. The only thing that is going to happen is that your collective bargaining privilege will be limited to pay and that to inflation. If ya need more you go to the people of your district and ask them for more money through referendum. No pay is being cut other than the amount going to the increases in pension and healthcare that you've got to pay. Oh and on top of that you wont have to pay into the union unless you want to, which will offset your pension and healthcare costs.
I don't have problems with teachers, i have a problem with the unions, having been in one and seen first hand and been effect by the greed and politics that they are involved with. the local chapter of teamsters i was involved with spent $2 million dollars on Obama's campaign. $2 million dollars that could have had been spent on helping their union members pay for their insurance after we got laid off. We paid into our health care and couldn't even use 2/3's of it when we got laid off, namely dental and eye care. Your union isn't much different than mine, they don't give a shit about you or any other union member. At lest Walker is trying to do something save jobs. Doyle and Walker both have said with the budget that 6-12,000 jobs could be lost if these proposals don't go through.
I just am not sure how to respond back...he asked me to make an argument but says that all the numbers are manipulated....I feel like i'm trying to reason with a 4 year old. I've known this guy since I was a kid and we've been friends since, he's not a stupid guy but it's hard to get where he is taking this...so aggravatingYes I did, and thanks for pointing out that we look like idiots to you. Also, the stats are misleading. The average teacher salary was based on people with multiple masters or PhDs, not the average for all public educators.
All I'll say is that you most certainly cannot compare two different unions and make the assertion or the plea that they're taking advantage of me, and I could cite first hand examples of the union protecting its workers, but Walker has set the standard that this argument can't stand on personal stories.
If you feel the need to continue this conversation with me, look up some real information about the WEA. As far as I'm concerned it's now support for the bill which impedes my ability to make a living representative of my level of education and experience (and yes, I do mean realistically commensurate to the state's current crisis, but the state won't know that, because the governor is more interested in union breaking than negotiating).