Atheists Angrier At God.

[Rockntractor]

No, I'm sowwy... if we'we bwaming the howocaust on "thought pattewns" - it most cewtainwy was diwectwy wewated to the Chwistian antisemitism in Gewmany - not some contempowawy position on abowtion which, qwite fwankwy, I bet you stiww don't even undewstand. Show me whewe Nazi's said "beings wif minds have a wight to wife" - and I'ww agwee that my pwincipwe may have contwibuted to the howocaust. . De Chwistian antisemitism made the Gewman popuwation weceptive to Hitwew's whetowic, and cweated the cwimate which awwowed the howocaust to happen, uh-hah-hah-hah. Whethew Hitwew himsewf was Chwistian ow not is iwwewevant. Oh, if onwy you aww couwd take off the bwindews fow a minute to see how badwy you contwadict youwsewves hewe. How many of you think Kaww Mawx's phiwosophy diwectwy contwibuted to wowwdwide atwocity (excwuding WWW)? Aww of you, I bet. Yet, if you wead Kaww Mawx, you won't find one mention ow endowsement of Guwag's, ow any of the othew bwutaw tywannicaw things that the communist wegimes pewpetwated on theiw peopwe. He nevew actuawwy spoke of those things, but the unintended conseqwences of his phiwosophy being adopted and impwemented in the wowwd wesuwted in them. And so aww of you at weast assign some of the bwame to Mawx and Mawxism fow the atwocities committed by those who wewe infwuenced by his ideas. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! And so it is wif Chwistianity and antisemitism and the howocaust. It doesn't mattew that the Bibwe, accowding to *youw* intewpwetations, doesn't contain anything antisemitic - it mattews that that's how some Chwistians wead it and intewpweted it. De wowds in the book hit theiw bwains and stawted pewcowating awound in thewe, causing bewiefs to fowm - whethew theiw intewpwetations wewe wight ow not. Dose bewiefs then caused them to act in the wowwd. And at weast some of those bewiefs wead to actions which made possibwe the attempted extewmination of the Jewish peopwe in Nazi Gewmany. It wasn't a smaww contingent of antisemitics hiding within Chwistianity thwoughout the ages - it was witewawwy the dominant attitude untiw vewy wecent times. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! Anti-semitism (of Chwistian owigin) was the nowm in Gewmany befowe the Howocaust occuwwed. So if any of you stiww hope to bwame Mawx (ow atheism) fow the deaths of miwwions, so too must you bwame the Bibwe and Chwistianity fow the deaths of miwwions in Nazi Gewmany - thewe's no way awound it.

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[wilbur]

fixed

Aww how cute.

Still enjoying the pretend moderator privileges?

[The Night Owl]

No, that is a statement of fact. You are a child of Satan as I was a child of Satan but I don't hate you when I call you that. It gives me reason to pray for you. How is that hating when I state what I know to be true and it leads me to pray for you and wish good things upon you?

If describing Jews as "children of Satan" for denying the supposed divinity of Jesus isn't theological anti-semitism then nothing is.

[Wei Wu Wei]

For any atheist or believer of Rationality or anyone tired of hearing stupid anti-evolution arguments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5R8kok_4d4

Some sick rhymes about Rationality. nerdgasm

[Rockntractor]

Aww how cute.

Still enjoying the pretend moderator privileges?

Actually Wilbur this is one of the few times you have been right, you could have at least played along for the hell of it.

[Odysseus]

If describing Jews as "children of Satan" for denying the supposed divinity of Jesus isn't theological anti-semitism then nothing is.

Quote? Link? Something?

[wilbur]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP_iN...layer_embedded

[CaughtintheMiddle1990]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP_iN...layer_embedded

Hitler was like many politicians: What he stated publicly and believed privately were two different things. Here's the private Hitler and what he REALLY believed:

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)


10th October, 1941, midday

"Christianity is a rebel lion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)


14th October, 1941, midday

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)



19th October, 1941, night

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."


21st October, 1941, midday

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer....
"The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65)


13th December, 1941, midnight

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119)

14th December, 1941, midday

"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner

"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday

"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)

Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939 a conversation in which Hitler had "expressed his revulsion against Christianity. He wished that the time were ripe for him to be able to openly express that. Christianity had corrupted and infected the entire world of antiquity."


Hitler: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[25]

Hitler: "We will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else—in any case something which has nothing to do with us."

In 1985 the Austrian author Wilfried Daim published a photograph of an alleged document signed by Hitler in 1943, which proposed the:
"Immediate and unconditional abolition of all religions after the final victory ('Endsieg') not only for the territory of Greater Germany but also for all released, occupied and annexed countries ..., proclaiming at the same time Hitler as the new messiah. Out of political considerations the Muslim, Buddhist and Shintoist religion will be spared for the present. The 'Führer' has to be presented as an intermediate between a redeemer and a liberator, yet surely as one sent by God, who has to get godly honour. The existing churches, chapels, temples and cult places of the different religions have to be changed into 'Adolf-Hitler-consecration places'. The theological faculties of the universities have to be transformed into the new faith. Special emphasis has to be lain on the education of missionaries and wandering preachers, who have to proclaim the teaching in Greater Germany and in the rest of the world and have to form religious bodies, which can be used as centres for further extension. (With this the problems with the abolition of monogamy will disappear, because polygamy can be included into the new teaching as one of the statements of faith.)"

[wilbur]

Yes, obviously those quotes are much more reflective of what Hitler actually believed, than the quotes of his which flatly contradict them!

[CaughtintheMiddle1990]

Yes, obviously those quotes are much more reflective of what Hitler actually believed, than the quotes of his which flatly contradict them!

Again, usually, what a politician says in public differs from how they feel in private. Hitler was a monster yes, but was also a politician. He knew what to say in public to win over the German people, who were largely Christian.