Should U.S. Forces Be Used to Create a No-Fly Zone Over Libya?

**djones520** · 03-13-2011, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by lacarnut

Let's stay out of it. We only get around 15% of our oil from the M.E. Much of the oil produced in that neck of the woods goes to Europe. Let them defend their own self interests for a change.

I am still laughing at your statement that the rebels are receiving training from Army soldiers that have defected. Shit, if they are that good we need them to train Afghans. Lets pay them; then we can bring all of our troops home.

Doesn't matter if their good or not compaired to us. They have the same training as the forces loyal to Qaddafi, so that will give them an edge.

**lacarnut** · 03-13-2011, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by megimoo

Hillary and Obama are in way over their heads.How do you think these Arab leaders feel when they have to sit next to an old lady from America too ugly for their harems and hold their hand out ?
Hillary's idea of Sec State is the Madeleine Albright school of diplomacy .Kiss the Arab Ass and hand him a bunch of our money .

Since Arabs have little regard for women, why in the world would you send a woman to negotiate with these heathens. That is just illogical, and the truth of the matter is they think we are weak by doing so. I am not bashing women; that is just their mindset and they do not respect American women. Period.

**lacarnut** · 03-13-2011, 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by djones520

Doesn't matter if their good or not compaired to us. They have the same training as the forces loyal to Qaddafi, so that will give them an edge.

Dream on. The rebels are getting their ass kicked. Small armament against tanks, planes and ships is no match for this rag tag outfit.

**noonwitch** · 03-14-2011, 08:29 AM

We should not get involved unless it is a NATO move. I can see why european nations in the Med area might want a no fly zone enforced, and if so, they have the ability to do so with minimal american involvement.

**Bailey** · 03-14-2011, 11:03 AM

I'm sick and tired of out boys dying for the savages in the ME, if the countries around libya dont like whats going in that country let them deal with it.

**Adam Wood** · 03-14-2011, 11:20 AM

Hell no. We definitely don't need some sort of long-term entanglement like that for ... what?

Does anyone know who these rebels are? Where they came from? What their motivation is? What their end game is? Who's backing them? Who's agitating them? We sure as hell don't know any of that. None of our intel (at least that's been shared publicly) tells us anything about these characters. All we know is that they're mad, not afraid to kill people, and want to be in charge of a north African country currently ruled by an iron-fisted dictator, but they could just as easily replace one iron-fisted ruler for another.

Qaddafi is a shithead, but we don't have a damn clue who these other folks are. Unless and until we know for certain that they are out for a Western-style democracy, we need to stay out of it. Make some platitudes from the bully pulpit of the Presidency and the State Department? Sure. Work some back-channel diplomacy to find out what's going on and hopefully bring a swift end to the bloodshed? Absolutely. Commit our men and matériel to a fight about which we have no idea? No fucking way.

**fettpett** · 03-14-2011, 12:27 PM

they are asking the US because they are cowards and don't want to do it themselves and they want something else to blame the US for.

On top of that, we're the only one with teeth enough to do anything about it....

that is if we didn't have a wennie for a Pres.

**noonwitch** · 03-14-2011, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by fettpett

they are asking the US because they are cowards and don't want to do it themselves and they want something else to blame the US for.

On top of that, we're the only one with teeth enough to do anything about it....

that is if we didn't have a wennie for a Pres.

The euro countries that I see that are most threatened are France, Spain and Italy. They could probably get something going, they just want the US to send aircraft carriers, which are likely superior to anything any of those three countries has at their disposal.

We already are in Iraq, Afganistan, and we need to have some ships in the Pacific to assist with relief efforts to Japan.

**fettpett** · 03-14-2011, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by noonwitch

The euro countries that I see that are most threatened are France, Spain and Italy. They could probably get something going, they just want the US to send aircraft carriers, which are likely superior to anything any of those three countries has at their disposal.

We already are in Iraq, Afganistan, and we need to have some ships in the Pacific to assist with relief efforts to Japan.

yeah, but do we need another thing to do? particularly in a Country that they don't like us to much? All three of those countries have operational Aircraft Carriers (French having the biggest AC) and can easily enforce a No-Fly Zone

**lacarnut** · 03-14-2011, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by fettpett

yeah, but do we need another thing to do? particularly in a Country that they don't like us to much? All three of those countries have operational Aircraft Carriers (French having the biggest AC) and can easily enforce a No-Fly Zone

I think that we should start charging for the blood, guts and billions we that we have spend in these god forsaken countries. Let the Europeans and the camel jockeys pay up. We have too much on our plate now to get involved in another shit hole country. Plus, we are going broke.