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  1. #1 Interesting...Hitler on Atheism, Islam and the idea of an Islamic Europe 
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    Hitler on Islam, to Albert Speer:

    "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

    And on toying with the notion of what Europe would've been like had the Muslims conquered it in the Middle Ages (to Albert Speer):

    "Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire."

    Among eastern religions, Hitler described religious leaders such as "Confucius, Buddha, and Mohammed" as providers of "spiritual sustenance".[56] In this context, Hitler's connection to Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, the Mufti of Jerusalem — which included asylum in 1941, the honorary rank of an SS Major-General, and a "respected racial genealogy" — has been interpreted more as a sign of respect than political expedience.[57] Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition and directed Himmler to initiate Muslim SS Divisions as a matter of policy.

    On Christianity and religion in general:

    "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity."

    Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939 a conversation in which Hitler had "expressed his revulsion against Christianity. He wished that the time were ripe for him to be able to openly express that. Christianity had corrupted and infected the entire world of antiquity."

    Author Konrad Heiden has quoted Hitler as stating, "We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany."

    In 1985 the Austrian author Wilfried Daim published a photograph of an alleged document signed by Hitler in 1943, which proposed the:

    "Immediate and unconditional abolition of all religions after the final victory ('Endsieg') not only for the territory of Greater Germany but also for all released, occupied and annexed countries ..., proclaiming at the same time Hitler as the new messiah. Out of political considerations the Muslim, Buddhist and Shintoist religion will be spared for the present. The 'Führer' has to be presented as an intermediate between a redeemer and a liberator, yet surely as one sent by God, who has to get godly honour. The existing churches, chapels, temples and cult places of the different religions have to be changed into 'Adolf-Hitler-consecration places'. The theological faculties of the universities have to be transformed into the new faith. Special emphasis has to be lain on the education of missionaries and wandering preachers, who have to proclaim the teaching in Greater Germany and in the rest of the world and have to form religious bodies, which can be used as centres for further extension. (With this the problems with the abolition of monogamy will disappear, because polygamy can be included into the new teaching as one of the statements of faith.)

    Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

    "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
    "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
    "Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

    10th October, 1941, midday

    "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

    14th October, 1941, midday

    "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
    "Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
    "...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
    "Christianity <is> the liar....
    "We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

    19th October, 1941, night

    "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

    21st October, 1941, midday

    "Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer....
    "The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
    "Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65)

    13th December, 1941, midnight

    "Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>....
    "When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119)

    14th December, 1941, midday

    "Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
    "Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)

    9th April, 1942, dinner

    "There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)

    27th February, 1942, midday

    "It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
    "Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)
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    So then every founding father quote leveraged to claim that this was a nation founded upon Christian principles is political bullshit then? K, thx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    So then every founding father quote leveraged to claim that this was a nation founded upon Christian principles is political bullshit then? K, thx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    So then every founding father quote leveraged to claim that this was a nation founded upon Christian principles is political bullshit then? K, thx.
    You realize that you just leveraged the viewpoints of a complete madman Adolph Hitler, to make some sort of political point, right? Even thought it is folly to argue the messenger over the message, using Hitler as a source of evidence might be...problematic. That's like using Stalin or Mao's viewpoints of human rights and due process to support an argument for prison reforms. It's just plain unwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    So then every founding father quote leveraged to claim that this was a nation founded upon Christian principles is political bullshit then? K, thx.
    what does Hitlers comments on Islam have to do with the Founding Fathers of the US? utter fail dude
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    Quote Originally Posted by malloc View Post
    You realize that you just leveraged the viewpoints of a complete madman Adolph Hitler, to make some sort of political point, right? Even thought it is folly to argue the messenger over the message, using Hitler as a source of evidence might be...problematic. That's like using Stalin or Mao's viewpoints of human rights and due process to support an argument for prison reforms. It's just plain unwise.
    Actually, the point was more to the fact that people in the thread where I actually posted the relevant video had been arguing that Hitler committed his atrocities in the name of atheism, and therefore atheism is evil and scary and will kill your babies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    So then every founding father quote leveraged to claim that this was a nation founded upon Christian principles is political bullshit then? K, thx.
    Wow. Agreeing with Hitler, huh? Says something about you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    Actually, the point was more to the fact that people in the thread where I actually posted the relevant video had been arguing that Hitler committed his atrocities in the name of atheism, and therefore atheism is evil and scary and will kill your babies.
    Well, we can easily determine that Hitler loathed any religion that was not centered on him. If he believed in is own divinity, he was nuts. If he didn't, which is more likely, then it was all a cynical ploy to maintain control. Either way, he was anti-Christian and, it goes without saying, anti-Jewish. That he found favor in the single most violent, misogynist and backward religion in the world is just icing on the cake.
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    Meh. There are very few things in this world more pathetic than a shallow thinking Nazi sympathizer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBIGuy View Post
    Meh. There are very few things in this world more pathetic than a shallow thinking Nazi sympathizer.
    LOL

    Its really a weird phenomenon... to see words typed from a person who obviously can't read.
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