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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    LOL

    Its really a weird phenomenon... to see words typed from a person who obviously can't read.
    There's that humility that we've come to love.

    Has it ever occurred to you that the nihilistic, self-absorbed pathology that you call a personal philosophy has more in common with Nazism than any religious dogma?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    There's that humility that we've come to love.
    Well, I was called a "Nazi sympathizer" based on comments in this thread, that in no possible world could be construed as sympathetic to the Nazi's - unless one simply has no ability to comprehend words. So yea - such stupidity deserved far more scorn than it got, truth be told.

    Has it ever occurred to you that the nihilistic, self-absorbed pathology that you call a personal philosophy has more in common with Nazism than any religious dogma?
    No, because that's absolutely ridiculous.

    Me, a nihilist? I don't think so. I'm a staunch believer in objective reality, moral realism, meaning and purpose despite our finite lives (and the finite universe). In other words, pretty much the complete opposite of nihilism in its various forms.

    So it seems that despite all our pages typed back and forth on various issues surrounding morality etc, you havent actually taken part the alleged conversations based on your above comment - at all. That makes your self-absorbed jab all the more ironic. Brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    There's that humility that we've come to love.

    Has it ever occurred to you that the nihilistic, self-absorbed pathology that you call a personal philosophy has more in common with Nazism than any religious dogma?
    Since encountering cupcake, I have suspected that he spent his nights in a darkened room, goose stepping to Wagner and jerking off to mp3s of Thus Spoke Zarathustra read by Keith Olbermann.
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    Hitler was a gay straight atheist catholic republican democrat socialist fascist capitalist jewish aryan freudian jungian tyrant charismatic saint sinner who loved his dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtintheMiddle1990 View Post
    "Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class."-- Lenin

    I think the comment that religion is the opiate of the people is wrong in the original political sense that it was stated. I don't think it's inaccurate when it comes to the psychology of groups of people involved in religious activity, christian, muslim or otherwise. I can't think of a more sinister implication of the concept of "the opiate of the masses" than what we saw in Jonestown, a group that tried to synthesize christian teachings with marxist ones. Thousands ended up dying, by either their own hands or forcibly by those they had once trusted.


    I've read the original Hitler quote before, in a biography of Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    I think the comment that religion is the opiate of the people is wrong in the original political sense that it was stated. I don't think it's inaccurate when it comes to the psychology of groups of people involved in religious activity, christian, muslim or otherwise. I can't think of a more sinister implication of the concept of "the opiate of the masses" than what we saw in Jonestown, a group that tried to synthesize christian teachings with marxist ones. Thousands ended up dying, by either their own hands or forcibly by those they had once trusted.


    I've read the original Hitler quote before, in a biography of Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
    Religious communes are as old as Christianity. The two concepts are not incompatible or some kind of modern attempt at structurally incompatible philosophies.

    Yes, communes tend to go astray, either through ego, greed, or dysfunction. But some of them are also amongst the oldest institutions and businesses in continuous operation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    Well, I was called a "Nazi sympathizer" based on comments in this thread, that in no possible world could be construed as sympathetic to the Nazi's - unless one simply has no ability to comprehend words. So yea - such stupidity deserved far more scorn than it got, truth be told.
    But since everything that you disagree with is stupid and deserving of scorn, by the simple virtue of your disagreeing with it, it's hard to decide what is and is not actually deserving of the kind of scorn that you tend to heap on us. If only we shared your enlightenment...

    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    No, because that's absolutely ridiculous.
    Oh, well, that clears that up.

    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    Me, a nihilist? I don't think so. I'm a staunch believer in objective reality, moral realism, meaning and purpose despite our finite lives (and the finite universe). In other words, pretty much the complete opposite of nihilism in its various forms.

    So it seems that despite all our pages typed back and forth on various issues surrounding morality etc, you havent actually taken part the alleged conversations based on your above comment - at all. That makes your self-absorbed jab all the more ironic. Brilliant.
    No, I stand by my assessment. Just because you think that you believe in objective reality doesn't make it so (in fact, your subjectivity is pretty much a given among everyone else here, but you refuse to recognize it). It's that whole moral compass issue again.
    Quote Originally Posted by FBIGuy View Post
    Since encountering cupcake, I have suspected that he spent his nights in a darkened room, goose stepping to Wagner and jerking off to mp3s of Thus Spoke Zarathustra read by Keith Olbermann.
    Unlikely. Wilbur lacks the charisma to be a Nazi. Can you imagine someone wanting to be tied up and ravished as someone dressed as Wilbur?

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Hitler was a gay straight atheist catholic republican democrat socialist fascist capitalist jewish aryan freudian jungian tyrant charismatic saint sinner who loved his dog.
    And it was the best of times, it was the worst of times...

    Seriously, though, there are some things about Hitler that are objectively known to us. Hitler and his niece had an affair that ended with her suicide, following which he had a relationship with Eva Braun. He was straight, but deeply screwed up about sex. Religiously, Hitler was virulently anti-Christian. He may have been an atheist, although there is evidence that he was caught up in a lot of the pagan aryan BS that was popular in Germany at the time (and which was where all of the Nazi obsessions with blood come from). Economically, his program was spelled out in Mein Kampf, and it was derivative of Marxism. Fascism's economic policies were actually begun by Mussolini, who started out as a doctrinaire socialist, but who developed a mix of that socialism with nationalism. This was a break with the Soviet Comintern model, which espoused international socialism. The marriage of nationalism and socialism was where we get the term "national socialism", the idea that you can have socialism in one state. The other distinction between a state that owns the means of production outright and a state that permits titular ownership but sets all policies and procedures is minimal, so one can say that he was both a socialist and a fascist. He was certainly a tyrant and charismatic (his speeches were extremely rousing, and he could work a crowd like a carnival barker, without a teleprompter).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    No, I stand by my assessment. Just because you think that you believe in objective reality doesn't make it so (in fact, your subjectivity is pretty much a given among everyone else here, but you refuse to recognize it). It's that whole moral compass issue again.
    Oh well... good thing you are here to tell me what I think and believe - always good to find out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    Oh well... good thing you are here to tell me what I think and believe - always good to find out!
    Now that you know, do the honorable thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Hitler was a gay straight atheist catholic republican democrat socialist fascist capitalist jewish aryan freudian jungian tyrant charismatic saint sinner who loved his dog.
    He did love Blondi, that's true. So much so, that he used her to test the poison before he took it himself.

    Nasty bastard, he was.

    For the avoidance of doubt, while I don't agree with a lot of what Wilbur says, comparing him to Hitler or attempting to attribute Nazi ideology to him is pretty ludicrous.
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