No, because that's absolutely ridiculous.Has it ever occurred to you that the nihilistic, self-absorbed pathology that you call a personal philosophy has more in common with Nazism than any religious dogma?
Me, a nihilist? I don't think so. I'm a staunch believer in objective reality, moral realism, meaning and purpose despite our finite lives (and the finite universe). In other words, pretty much the complete opposite of nihilism in its various forms.
So it seems that despite all our pages typed back and forth on various issues surrounding morality etc, you havent actually taken part the alleged conversations based on your above comment - at all. That makes your self-absorbed jab all the more ironic. Brilliant.
Last edited by wilbur; 03-16-2011 at 11:17 AM.
Hitler was a gay straight atheist catholic republican democrat socialist fascist capitalist jewish aryan freudian jungian tyrant charismatic saint sinner who loved his dog.
I think the comment that religion is the opiate of the people is wrong in the original political sense that it was stated. I don't think it's inaccurate when it comes to the psychology of groups of people involved in religious activity, christian, muslim or otherwise. I can't think of a more sinister implication of the concept of "the opiate of the masses" than what we saw in Jonestown, a group that tried to synthesize christian teachings with marxist ones. Thousands ended up dying, by either their own hands or forcibly by those they had once trusted.
I've read the original Hitler quote before, in a biography of Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
Yes, communes tend to go astray, either through ego, greed, or dysfunction. But some of them are also amongst the oldest institutions and businesses in continuous operation.
Seriously, though, there are some things about Hitler that are objectively known to us. Hitler and his niece had an affair that ended with her suicide, following which he had a relationship with Eva Braun. He was straight, but deeply screwed up about sex. Religiously, Hitler was virulently anti-Christian. He may have been an atheist, although there is evidence that he was caught up in a lot of the pagan aryan BS that was popular in Germany at the time (and which was where all of the Nazi obsessions with blood come from). Economically, his program was spelled out in Mein Kampf, and it was derivative of Marxism. Fascism's economic policies were actually begun by Mussolini, who started out as a doctrinaire socialist, but who developed a mix of that socialism with nationalism. This was a break with the Soviet Comintern model, which espoused international socialism. The marriage of nationalism and socialism was where we get the term "national socialism", the idea that you can have socialism in one state. The other distinction between a state that owns the means of production outright and a state that permits titular ownership but sets all policies and procedures is minimal, so one can say that he was both a socialist and a fascist. He was certainly a tyrant and charismatic (his speeches were extremely rousing, and he could work a crowd like a carnival barker, without a teleprompter).
Nasty bastard, he was.
For the avoidance of doubt, while I don't agree with a lot of what Wilbur says, comparing him to Hitler or attempting to attribute Nazi ideology to him is pretty ludicrous.
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