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    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtintheMiddle1990 View Post
    For most of his Presidency--pretty much his entire first term--He was respected and supported by the majority of Americans. He was greatly popular until around the Spring/Summer 1973. It was better for the country (and of course for himself) that he resigned, as the business of government would've been standing still for 3, 4, 5 months of an impeachment trial, and this was a time when there were important matters like Vietnam and our relationship with the USSR and China, an economic downturn--were all at stake.

    It's like judging Bill Clinton's entire Presidency by Monica Lewinsky, or Reagan's by Iran Contra, or Warren G. Harding by Teapot Dome. It's a small minded way of looking at things, IMO.
    That doesn't explain Spiro Agnew at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    I'm shocked
    That would take very little voltage!
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    Oh, this is just a thread to claim Obama says "uh" a lot.

    No argument from me, but its hardly an interesting point of discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    That doesn't explain Spiro Agnew at all.
    Who knew what the egg knew, Shoe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtintheMiddle1990 View Post
    For most of his Presidency--pretty much his entire first term--He was respected and supported by the majority of Americans. He was greatly popular until around the Spring/Summer 1973. It was better for the country (and of course for himself) that he resigned, as the business of government would've been standing still for 3, 4, 5 months of an impeachment trial, and this was a time when there were important matters like Vietnam and our relationship with the USSR and China, an economic downturn--were all at stake.

    It's like judging Bill Clinton's entire Presidency by Monica Lewinsky, or Reagan's by Iran Contra, or Warren G. Harding by Teapot Dome. It's a small minded way of looking at things, IMO.
    Would you expect anything else of the Shoe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    You are the one that said it Nikita.
    He was questioning CITM's selection of him, not putting him out there.
    In most sports, cold-cocking an opposing player repeatedly in the face with a series of gigantic Slovakian uppercuts would get you a multi-game suspension without pay.

    In hockey, it means you have to sit in the penalty box for five minutes.
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    Please define Most Presidential. What specific qualities apply?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    That doesn't explain Spiro Agnew at all.
    Spiro Agnew was a dolt who even Nixon didn't like. He looked down on Agnew as a dope, basically, like most of the GOP did--In fact, looking back, had Agnew himself not resigned, it's likely that impeachment wouldn't have been as certain, as no one, especially the GOP, relished the prospect of a President Agnew.

    Spiro Agnew was only chosen in 1968 to garner votes in key areas, not because of any real friendship or affection between the two men. Nixon had strongly considered replacing Agnew for the 1972 election. In replacing Agnew in 1973, if Nixon had his way, there would've been a President John Connally, President Nelson Rockefeller, or President Ronald Reagan being inaugurated on August 9th 1974. Connally & Rockefeller were his key choices to replace Agnew.

    Connally was Nixon's first choice, and the man he wanted to run in 1976 (regardless of Watergate) to be his political successor. However, Connally had some questionable things in his own life, which given Nixon's political weakness by the end of 1973 meant that the nominating process for Connally would be long and difficult, and so there went his first and most optimal choice.

    Rockefeller was Nixon's second choice as he was a capable man with a proven track record, but he was ultimately too liberal for both Nixon and the GOP, and he wouldn't have the support of the conservative wing of the GOP in nominating him. It's part of the reason why Ford himself ditched Rockefeller in favor of the more moderate Dole in the election of 1976.

    You have to remember that in the 1970s, a President's VP was looked upon as his potential political heir--Not because of resignation, but simply because that was the way it was, since Truman. FDR died; Truman ran for President. Ike left office, his VP Nixon ran for President; JFK died; LBJ ran for President. This has continued in some cases--GHW Bush running as the "heir" of Reagan in 1988, Gore running as Clinton's successor in 2000, etc.

    Ronald Reagan was the favorite of the GOP (by vote--Nixon asked different groups to vote on who they would want) to replace Agnew, but Ford was chosen ultimately because he was most liked by Congress overall and thus his succesful nomination by Congress would be the most likely of all the prospective candidates.

    Picking Ford ironically sealed Nixon's fate. Nixon had felt with Ford as his VP, he wouldn't be impeached, or if impeached, his supporters in the Republican party would save him from conviction, as no one would want dumb, bland Ford as President. He miscalculated, as Ford was a good man and never stepped on anyone's toes and was generally well liked by both the Liberal and Conservative wings of the GOP.

    You have to remember that as late as July 1974, it seemed, and Nixon felt (due to the support of 12 Republican Senators) that his Presidency would survive, and if not for the Smoking Gun tape's release, his Presidency would have survived, albeit in a weakened state. Only the Smoking Gun tape's release doomed his presidency, as the 12 senators who had pledged to vote AGAINST impeachment (including Barry Goldwater) privately met Nixon and told him they were now forced to vote for impeachment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    He was questioning CITM's selection of him, not putting him out there.
    Awe, I see the question mark now.
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