Rate President Obama.

[txradioguy]

lmao at the idea that Obama is anti-Israel

Please show us where he's not.

[Odysseus]

NAh it's cool about the numbers in that thread like I said i don't really know the exact figures so your numbers might be right, i'm cool with that.

Oh, good. Then you admit that there was no mass starvation during the greatest economic crisis in the history of the United States? That capitalism is far more resilient than communism, and that by the objective standard of people not starving to death in the midst of plenty, communism fails yet again?

as for this Israel thing, come on now, just recently the United States used it's Veto in the UN to block a nearly unanimous official condemnation as illegal of the continued Israeli settlements.

Except that the veto only came came after the Palestinians rejected a compromise “presidential statement” that America was willing to support, which stated that the UN “does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlement activity, which is a serious obstacle to the peace process.” Obama was willing to publicly attack Israel at one of the most blatantly anti-Israeli forums in the world, and only relented when the Arabs wouldn't agree to less inflammatory language. You don't treat your allies like that, but Obama doesn't seem to understand that. As the Daily Caller put it, , "just as you don’t go to a Klu Klux Klan meeting to discuss problems in the black community, America shouldn’t being joining in the Israel bashing that routinely occurs at the United Nations."

What makes the settlements illegal? Why should Jews not be allowed to settle among Arabs? Why is it that the West Bank should be Judenrein? And Obama has not only attacked Israel for allowing settlements on the West Bank, he has attacked Israel for expanding housing in Jerusalem, which is the capital of Israel. Should Israel object when Obama's expanded DC bureaucracy drives up housing construction in Maryland and Virginia?

When Jordan first conquered the West Bank, it annexed it, in violation of international law and a host of UN resolutions. When Jordan used the West Bank as a staging area to attack Israel in 1967, Israel drove the Jordanians back to their original (legal) border. The Palestinian Arabs in the region had no claims to anything except the camps that the Jordanians put them in, having left their homes in what became Israel in order to allow the Arab armies a free hand. Israel would have been within its rights to expel them, as the Arab states had done with their Jewish populations.

Obama and some democrats may, in some contexts, try to appear somewhat objective on the issue of Israel but the reality is that the America-Israel relationship is very strong, there is a very strong Israeli lobby in the US affecting lawmakers.

You have the Orwellian language distortions down pat. Obama isn't "objective" towards Israel. He treats Israel with a horrific double standard (as do you).

When it comes to financial aid, military support, and foreign policy (particularly in the middle east), the USA is clearly, firmly, and near-totally pro-Israel.

And when it comes to reflecting American values of constitutional government, the rule of law, defense of liberty and American interests, Israel is completely pro-US. Can you show me an Arab or Muslim state with a similar record of support?

[Arroyo_Doble]

And when it comes to reflecting American values of constitutional government, the rule of law, defense of liberty and American interests, Israel is completely pro-US. Can you show me an Arab or Muslim state with a similar record of support?

Turkey.

[fettpett]

Turkey.

Turkey doesn't have full political freedom, in fact they have The Constitutional Court which "can strip the public financing of political parties that it deems anti-secular or separatist, or ban their existence altogether."

They've suppressed Kurds in the southern part of the country, they don't have a very good record with freedom of the press or with womens rights.

Now, that doesn't mean that they have been a valuable ally, but they been as good of one as Israel, they didn't let us go into Iraq from there at the last minute nor backed us much with other Arab countries

[Odysseus]

Turkey.

Ten years ago, you'd have been right. But ever since 9/11, Turkey's ruling party has been moving the country in an anti-American direction. The most obvious example of this was Turkey's refusal to allow US forces to stage at Incirlik for the invasion of Iraq. They have also provided aid to Hamas and Hezbollah, both of which are virulently anti-American.