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    Quote Originally Posted by AmPat View Post
    I too will vote for him if it is between him and the Marxist. I just don't believe he is a true Conservative. He doesn't seem to grasp the reality or enormity of the progressive disease in Washington. I believe he will accept the progressives as patriotic Americans with a different viewpoint instead of what they truly are; The greatest threat to our Republic ever.
    Interesting article about this at NRO, which I think that we all need to read. http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...n-d-williamson


    Obama: Incompetent or Evil?
    What we talk about when we talk about Romney

    By Kevin D. Williamson

    The most acute division on the right — the one that will give Mitt Romney the most trouble — is not between moderates and hard-core right-wingers, between electability-minded pragmatists and ideologues, or between the Tea Party and the Republican establishment. It is between those Republicans who disagree with Barack Obama, believing his policies to be mistaken, and those who hate Barack Obama, believing him to be wicked. Mitt Romney is the candidate of the former, but is regarded with suspicion, or worse, by the latter. The former group of Republicans would be happy merely to win the presidential election, but the latter are after something more: a national repudiation of President Obama, of his governmental overreach, and of managerial progressivism mainly as practiced by Democrats but also as practiced by Republicans.

    It is unlikely that those seeking a national act of electoral penance for having elected Barack Obama are going to get what they are after. For one thing, the number of Americans who believe President Obama to be merely incompetent is far greater than the number of Americans who believe him to be, not to put too fine a point on it, evil. For another, that larger group of voters is, for once, probably right.

    Presidents are cultural lightning rods, the last two more so than many others. This has some weird effects. George W. Bush was hated and loathed by the Democratic base, which is aggressively anti-religious and seeks to impose a liberal cultural homogeneity on the nation (the totems of which are gay marriage, abortion on demand, and the environmental liturgy) to such an extent that even unremarkable initiatives sent them into a panic when they bore the imprimatur of W. President Bush’s office of faith-based initiatives, for example, represented the sort of thing that could easily have been signed into law by Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton. Far from representing the camel’s nose of Christian theocracy poking under the tent of the First Amendment, the office’s oversight council today includes the president of Seedco, the founder of Asian Indian Women of America, Rabbi David N. Saperstein, the president of Catholic Charities, the head of Big Brothers Big Sisters America, and the director of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies — an all-American mix, with no Torquemada or Chillingsworth to be found. But because the initiative touches on religious organizations and was brought into being by President Bush, it was greeted in many quarters as though it were a revival of the Salem witch trials. Faith-based initiatives may be a good idea or a bad idea, but the program is not what its most hysterical critics thought it was.

    President Obama, for his part, has signed some truly awful pieces of legislation into law: the stimulus package, Cash for Clunkers, and, most notably, Obamacare. Bad as these are, the reaction among some conservatives has been overblown, and I write that as the author of a book that contains the sentence, “Of course Obamacare is socialism.” The president has been described as a budding Hitler, a bush-league Stalin, a saboteur, a revolutionary, etc. But as lamentable as President Obama’s agenda has been, there is not much that is especially remarkable about it. President Obama is not a revolutionary Bolshevik; he is a conventional liberal of a very familiar kind. Obamacare is precisely the same sort of program that a Pres. Al Gore or a Pres. John Kerry might have signed into law. The most remarkable thing about President Obama is that, unlike even the masterly Bill Clinton, he managed to get a big part of the Democrats’ health-care agenda enacted as law. He did this with a major assist from his predecessor, who left him with a much more liberal Congress than might otherwise have been elected.
    It goes on, but the point is that ideologically, Obama is no different than Clinton or Carter, but never having had to actually run or do anything beyond show up, he's demonstrated far more ineptitude. We disagree with its basic premise, but at lease Clinton tried to draft a coherent health care plan, rather than letting congressional leaders put together a wish list. Carter created two new cabinet posts that immediately became Democratic Party strongholds and bureaucratic refuges for teachers union cronies and energy industry lobbyists, but ultimately, there were of a piece with FDR's expansions of government. They were wrong on policy, but they were no less ill-conceived than what preceded them. The thing that makes Obama unique is not that he's a power-hungry leftist (is there any other kind?), it's that he's an incompetent narcissist who doesn't know how to do anything but posture, as well as a power-hungry leftist.
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    Narcissistic and power-hungry ..... but not evil.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Narcissistic and power-hungry ..... but not evil.
    Narcissistic and power-hungry is evil you ditz!
    How is obama working out for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Narcissistic and power-hungry is evil you ditz!
    Er .... yea.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmPat View Post
    I too will vote for him if it is between him and the Marxist. I just don't believe he is a true Conservative. He doesn't seem to grasp the reality or enormity of the progressive disease in Washington. I believe he will accept the progressives as patriotic Americans with a different viewpoint instead of what they truly are; The greatest threat to our Republic ever.

    I agree. I said I would vote for him, but he's not my top pick. My top pick was Cain. Still, I'd vote for any of the four remaining candidates....any of them is better than BamBam.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmPat View Post
    I just don't believe he is a true Conservative.
    What exactly is a true conservative?

    If I follow your posts, it seems to me that you penalize Romney because he was at one time "not as conservative" as he is now.

    You do not know that the Reagan was a strong dimocrat at first right?

    I am as conservative as anyone here and I guarantee that there are very few of us that will see eye to eye on every single subject, I don't beleive that diminishes you as a conservative and more than it does me.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkgirl View Post
    I agree. I said I would vote for him, but he's not my top pick. My top pick was Cain. ......
    I'd forgotten that. There were several of us around here who preferred Cain.

    Do you remember when they had a session/game where each candidate had to pick someone from the field who would be his VP? Cain picked Newt.:)

    But I can't remember who Newt picked.......
     

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    My little private dream that almost certainly will never happen: Romney goes through Super Tuesday with stiff competition from the remaining field, and then there is a brokered convention, and the GOP picks Cain.


    A man can dream....
    Olde-style, states' rights conservative. Ask if this concept confuses you.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    I'd forgotten that. There were several of us around here who preferred Cain.

    Do you remember when they had a session/game where each candidate had to pick someone from the field who would be his VP? Cain picked Newt.:)

    But I can't remember who Newt picked.......
    He didn't pick anyone.
    Olde-style, states' rights conservative. Ask if this concept confuses you.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Narcissistic and power-hungry ..... but not evil.
    He wanted to campaign and run and win the presidency but not actually be president. That job is hard!!!
    Be Not Afraid.
     

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