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  1. #1 Bush's War vs. Supporting our troops 
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    I support the troops. I Always have. But i do not see why we are in the middle east and pretty much every other part of the world, when we have our own problems. why are we pouring billions upon billions of dollars into a war that is pretty much turning into Vietnam II? Isnt that kind of against the whole point of being conservative? We should be ending foriegn involvement and cutting all that money, and working to pay off the debt, not increasing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnkbortka View Post
    I support the troops. I Always have. But i do not see why we are in the middle east and pretty much every other part of the world, when we have our own problems. why are we pouring billions upon billions of dollars into a war that is pretty much turning into Vietnam II? Isnt that kind of against the whole point of being conservative? We should be ending foriegn involvement and cutting all that money, and working to pay off the debt, not increasing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
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    being a conservative is about kicking ass, eating steak, drinking beer, wearing boots, driving trucks, shooting guns, and not reading

    if you aren't willing to fight to protect freedom then GET OUT
    Both of you can eat a dick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
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    being a conservative is about kicking ass, eating steak, drinking beer, wearing boots, driving trucks, shooting guns, and not reading

    if you aren't willing to fight to protect freedom then GET OUT
    Yet here you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnkbortka View Post
    I support the troops. I Always have. But i do not see why we are in the middle east and pretty much every other part of the world, when we have our own problems. why are we pouring billions upon billions of dollars into a war that is pretty much turning into Vietnam II? Isnt that kind of against the whole point of being conservative? We should be ending foriegn involvement and cutting all that money, and working to pay off the debt, not increasing it.
    We are in the Middle East because of several things.
    • Afghanistan provided safe harbor to terrorists who murdered 3,000 Americans in one day, and refused requests for extradition.
    • Saddam Hussein's regime had demonstrated a WMD capability on multiple occasions, including battlefield deployment against Iran and against Kurdish civilians. After 9/11, Saddam refused to account for his programs and would not permit inspectors in to confirm his claims. His regime was complicit in the first WTC bombing (1993) and other terror acts and it was determined that the risk of a rogue regime with a WMD capability and a history of terror attacks against Americans was too much of a risk to our security to tolerate.

    Conservatism does not mean isolationism. The foreign entanglements that Washington opposed were permanent alliances based on ethnic/tribal ties to Europe. The founders never opposed military alliances or the use of military force to defend the nation, even if that meant projection of power beyond our borders. Before going to war with the Barbary Pirates, Jefferson and Adams had sought to create a multinational force to secure the sea lanes against them, but ultimately ended up having to go it alone when the British and other Euopean powers declined (sound familiar?).

    Our national debt is not the result of military expenditures. Defense spending as both a percentage of GDP and as a percentage of federal spending has declined precipitously since the end of WWII. The US military is smaller now than it was a decade ago, despite being involved in two wars (three, if you count Libya). The US Navy has been reduced from over 600 ships under Reagan to just under 300 now, and we have fewer Aircraft Carriers and carrier groups than at any time since the Cold War. Our debt is the result of the expansion of the federal government into areas in which it was never intended to be involved. There is nothng in the Constitution authorizing federal entitlement programs, oversight of education, energy, college sports programs, lightbulb manufacturing, toilet capacities or a host of other federal mandates and rules that dictate areas of our lives, from the graniose to the trivial. A government that seeks to manage every aspect of the lives of its citizens will soon fail to address its real responsibilities and cannot succeed at its expanded ones.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
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    being a conservative is about kicking ass, eating steak, drinking beer, wearing boots, driving trucks, shooting guns, and not reading

    if you aren't willing to fight to protect freedom then GET OUT
    Wei, a bit of guidance for you:

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    I love beer, had steak this last Sunday, own three weapons, and shoot trap occassionally.

    But I also read quite a bit and do not drive a truck. I guess that makes me a moderate.

    Do hiking boots count?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    I love beer, had steak this last Sunday, own three weapons, and shoot trap occassionally.

    But I also read quite a bit and do not drive a truck. I guess that makes me a moderate.

    Do hiking boots count?
    I think that makes you a militant hippie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    I think that makes you a militant hippie.
    I was born in the 60's. I'm too young to be a hippie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    enjoy your ban

    being a conservative is about kicking ass, eating steak, drinking beer, wearing boots, driving trucks, shooting guns, and not reading

    if you aren't willing to fight to protect freedom then GET OUT
    Did I here you say you wanted to be banned Wei?
    How is obama working out for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Did I here you say you wanted to be banned Wei?
    Is that what you here'd?
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