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    TacticalPeek (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-19-11 08:30 AM
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    Sen. Dick Durbin: Social Security Cuts Should Not Be Ruled Out
    Source: ABC


    Senator Says 'Gang of Six' Have Better Chance than Ryan or Obama to Cut Deficit

    By JONATHAN KARL
    WASHINGTON, April 19, 2011

    Senator Dick Durbin, D-Ill., says the bi-partisan group of senators working to find a way to reduce the deficit -- the so-called "Gang of Six" -- is near agreement on a plan that will chart a middle ground between the House Republican budget and the plan outlined last week by President Obama.

    And while other top Democrats say Social Security should be untouched, Durbin says Social Security changes should be made now.

    "You have the House Republican budget from Congressman Paul Ryan, who I know and like, which is going to be placed somewhere on the right side of the spectrum. You have the president's suggestion, which will be on the other side of the spectrum. And if and when we reach an agreement, it will be in the middle, a bipartisan effort, which I think has a chance to succeed," Durbin said in an interview for ABC News' "Subway Series."

    He expects the Gang of Six -- which, in addition to Durbin, includes senators Tom Coburn, R-Okla.; Mike Crapo, R-Idaho; Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga.; Mark Warner, D-Va.; and Kent Conrad, D-N.D. -- to agree on a plan shortly after Congress returns from its Easter recess.



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    Fuck you, Dick Durbin, and fuck your self-confessed, fat cat owners.
    Let the explosions begin!

    Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-19-11 08:32 AM
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    2. Both parties are wholely owned subsidiaries of the Corporatists.
    Fuck ALL OF THEM.
    alsame (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-19-11 08:34 AM
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    3. We are screwed. If Durbin is going along with SS 'reform', there
    is little hope. As for 'D' Warner, I saw him on TV the other day spouting the GOP meme that SS is bankrupt.
    Psssttt...

    The reason Warner said that Social Security is bankrupt is because IT IS!!
    neoralme (229 posts) Tue Apr-19-11 10:58 AM
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    57. I keep thinking that something will come along that will bring the
    Democrats or anyone out onto the street with pitchforks (metaphor). But I now realize that won't happen. Look at what makes up the voting public in this country. Sure, there are people who'll still hit the street and fight and die when the time comes. But not many... Much easier to simply email Bernie Sanders or your representative who'll smile as he's throwing the wad of paper into the roundfile. What will probably happen, at least I hope will happen, if the conservatives try and do meaningful cuts to Social Security, the boomers will hit the streets, ready to really to fight. That's what I'm hoping. There are things happening in States now so horrible, I cannot for the life of me understand why their statehouses are still standing. It is simply a different mentality. Right now, there should be people sitting around at secret locations staring at a chalkboard where some paramilitary type is doing diagrams of how the next mission will be accomplished. Oh, well...
    Most of the country does not have the fevered imaginations of DUmmies, DUmmy. That's why.

    Here's a hint for you, moonbat: the people who are out in the streets protesting are out there because they are sick and fucking tired of the federal government spending money like drunken Kennedys. The people, the overwhelming majority of the people, want this spending to stop. That is why your kind got blown out in the last election and why it will happen again in the next election.
    Dyedinthewoolliberal (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-19-11 08:53 AM
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    12. So the question is;
    Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 08:53 AM by Dyedinthewoolliberal
    what are we going to do about this? Right now, the American population is like a huge herd of sheep. A few barking dogs keep us in line and we go where we are directed. I like to think of those old cartoons where someone would mess with a beehive. Remember the shitstorm that always took place then?
    So what's it gonna be America?
    Well, moonbat, you're going to impotently sit in your mother's basement and bitch about being out of pot and cheetos on DU. Most of the rest of us non-DUmmies are going to go to work and be productive citizens and some of us are busy raising hell about all of the reckless spending that Congress is doing.
    JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-19-11 09:31 AM
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    22. We should confront Durbin about the fact that we have bankrupted
    our country fighting in Iraq and the oil companies of the world took the Iraq oil money that Rove told us would pay for the war.

    This cannot stand. Durbin is lying to us.

    We don't need austerity measures. We need war reparations for us and for the Iraqi and other people and their governments who were forced to pay the price for this war for oil by our governments on behalf of those same oil profiteers.

    Will the price of oil go up? Yes. As it should. We have to find other sources of energy or change our lifestyles.
    Tell ya what, JD: you change your lifestyle and stay the hell out of my business and my gas prices, mkay?



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    Who cares, as of right now I am only guaranteed getting 75 cents on every dollar I put into this ponzi scheme based on their stupid annual report I get in the mail. Thanks to socialism Iím fucked any way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simple American Man View Post
    Who cares, as of right now I am only guaranteed getting 75 cents on every dollar I put into this ponzi scheme based on their stupid annual report I get in the mail. Thanks to socialism I’m fucked any way!
    Oh, I certainly don't expect to ever see a dime of the SS that I've paid in. AFAIC, it's just another tax for anyone who is 40 or younger. Probably the same for people up to age 50.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Wood View Post
    Oh, I certainly don't expect to ever see a dime of the SS that I've paid in.
    I don't plan to give up so easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    I don't plan to give up so easily.

    I'd rather we all were just allowed to invest the $ we are FORCED to pay into SS for ourselves.

    According to the SSA, a person making $30K starting work in 1990, working until he was 67 years old in 2039 would have a monthly retirement amount of $1,411.00. That SAME person, if he were to have invested the money he and his employer sent to SS, would have $1,967,640.41 if he JUST got the average Compound Annual Growth Rate of the S&P 500 since 1900. That includes the crashes.


    The differences are only MORE dramatic as your income goes up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutionally Speaking View Post
    I'd rather we all were just allowed to invest the $ we are FORCED to pay into SS for ourselves.

    According to the SSA, a person making $30K starting work in 1990, working until he was 67 years old in 2039 would have a monthly retirement amount of $1,411.00. That SAME person, if he were to have invested the money he and his employer sent to SS, would have $1,967,640.41 if he JUST got the average Compound Annual Growth Rate of the S&P 500 since 1900. That includes the crashes.


    The differences are only MORE dramatic as your income goes up.
    I agree but the two trillion in transition costs are not there. I do not know what the transition costs would be now, the two trillion was around 2000, but my guess is we don't have it laying around after a couple of wars and a few rounds of tax cuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutionally Speaking View Post
    I'd rather we all were just allowed to invest the $ we are FORCED to pay into SS for ourselves.

    According to the SSA, a person making $30K starting work in 1990, working until he was 67 years old in 2039 would have a monthly retirement amount of $1,411.00. That SAME person, if he were to have invested the money he and his employer sent to SS, would have $1,967,640.41 if he JUST got the average Compound Annual Growth Rate of the S&P 500 since 1900. That includes the crashes.


    The differences are only MORE dramatic as your income goes up.
    This is what Bush wanted and the let melted down. As for the money taken from my check since 1981(when I first started working), I could hace socked that away in your basic savings account and would have enough to settle down on by the time I retire.
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    Durbin has never meet a tax he doesn't like, bet there are some doozy of tax increases in w/e the fuck they are coming up with
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    Social Security will get fixed. The age limit will be upped, benefits reduced and removing the cap on high wage earners. What should be done is to go back to the original intent of S.S. which was a retirement of the wage earner and his family. All these other add ons like payment to Illegals and other benefits should be cut out. That would go a long way in fixing the problem but our cowardly politicians will not touch it with a ten foot pole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lacarnut View Post
    Social Security will get fixed. The age limit will be upped, benefits reduced and removing the cap on high wage earners. What should be done is to go back to the original intent of S.S. which was a retirement of the wage earner and his family. All these other add ons like payment to Illegals and other benefits should be cut out. That would go a long way in fixing the problem but our cowardly politicians will not touch it with a ten foot pole.
    This exactly! Well, almost. SS should go to the wage earner and the surviving spouse (if of retirement age) and that is it and that is all it was intended for.
    I can sympathize for the kids and disabled and the stay at home spouse if DW or DH dies at 60, but that's life.
    Yes it sucks, but that is not what the SS ponzi scheme was created for. That is why there is life insurance and disability insurance.

    I am also tired of families that try to shield their future inheritance by getting Medicare to foot the bill for care that can be provided by the family or the estate. Dad owns a half million dollar home and has to go into private care, then sell the damn house. Why should we have to pay so you can sell it and pocket the money when he dies?
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