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  1. #1 Poll: Raise taxes on wealthy, leave Medicare, Medicaid alone 
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    Americans favor taxing the wealthy over cutting medicare/medicaid



    http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...medicaid-alone

    On taxes, the poll reported that roughly two out of three registered voters — 64 percent — would be in favor of increasing taxes on annual income over $250,000. President Obama reiterated in his deficit-reduction speech last week that he favored allowing taxes to rise on families in that income level.
    Meanwhile, fully four in five registered voters oppose cutting Medicare and Medicaid. The House GOP’s fiscal 2012 budget, largely crafted by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), makes fundamental long-term changes to both health entitlement programs, converting Medicaid into a block grant and turning Medicare into a type of voucher system.

    Democrats (92 percent), Republicans (73 percent) and independents (75 percent) all opposed cuts to the two programs, the McClatchy-Marist poll found.
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/04/1...-deficits.html


    At the same time, they say that the government should not raise the legal debt ceiling, which the government must do soon to borrow more money, despite warnings that failing to do so would force the government into default, credit markets into turmoil and the economy into a tailspin.
    Americans clearly don't want the government to cut Medicare, the government health program for the elderly, or Medicaid, the program for the poor. Republicans in the House of Representatives voted last week to drastically restructure and reduce those programs, while Obama calls for trimming their costs but leaving them essentially intact.
    Other findings:

    * Only 44 percent of voters approve of Obama's job performance, while 49 percent disapprove. That was down from 48 percent approval in January, and marked the 17th straight month that his approval has been below 50 percent;

    * Only 34 percent of voters approve, and 61 percent disapprove, of the way he's handling the budget deficit, projected to total about $1.6 trillion this year;

    * Only 30 percent approve of the way Republicans in Congress are doing their job, while 63 percent disapprove.
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    This survey of 1,274 adults was conducted on April 10-14. Adults 18 years of age and older residing in the continental United States were interviewed by telephone. Telephone numbers were selected based upon a list of telephone exchanges from throughout the nation. The exchanges were selected to ensure that each region was represented in proportion to its population. To increase coverage, this land-line sample was supplemented by respondents reached through random dialing of cell phone numbers. The two samples were then combined.

    Results are statistically significant within �3.0 percentage points. There are 1,084 registered voters. The results for this subset are statistically significant within �3.0 percentage points. There are 551 registered voters who completed the survey before President Obama's April 13th speech and 470 registered voters who completed the survey after his speech. The results for these subsets are statistically significant within �4.5 percentage points. The error margin increases for cross-tabulations.


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    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Here is Paul Ryan having a townhall meeting (note that these are clearly elderly voters, not a group of filthy college hippies) and the issues of taxes on the wealthy comes up:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5kgnE1Xvec

    The person supporting tax increases on the wealthy gets applauded, and Paul Ryan's shaky defense of the wealthy gets quickly booed.



    I think people are starting to see what's going on here. GLenn Beck style scare tacticts (IT'S A BOLSHEVIK PLOT IT'S COMMUNISM!!) are failing and even the elderly (a group usually in the Republican Base) are taking note.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Smith - Wealth of Nations
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    There's a shocker. Let's poll a bunch of liberals on what they want.
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    try reading the thing before you blow your load so fast

    random sampling and plenty of republicans
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Smith - Wealth of Nations
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    try reading the thing before you blow your load so fast

    random sampling and plenty of republicans
    Uh huh. I guess by your definition 5 means plenty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    try reading the thing before you blow your load so fast

    random sampling and plenty of republicans
    27% of 1084 is not plenty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    try reading the thing before you blow your load so fast

    random sampling and plenty of republicans
    Who cut $500 billion of Medicare. Answer. Democrats and Obama under Obamacare
    Who cut 15% from doctors and hospitals. Democrats and Obama under Obamacare
    How many new employees and how much money will Obamacare cost to set up. No one know. Thousands of new employees and millions. Probably billions in the long run.

    You have posted this video twice. What it proves is that Paul Ryan has a plan. It will never be passed in the Senate or signed by Obama. On the other hand, Obamacare is LAW. Do you understand the difference between a plan and a law. Moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    try reading the thing before you blow your load so fast
    random sampling and plenty of republicans
    It's still hardly an accurate poll. For one thing, Democrats significantly outnumbered Republicans, even though nationwide, the registration is not that far apart. Also, this was a poll of 1,274 adults, but only 1,084 registered voters. That means that roughly one out of six are not going to vote, and their opinions are as valuable as the opinion of a vegetarian at a chili con carne cookoff. Finally, given only a few choices, most of the sample picked the least of the evils offered, but a number of options were not on the table. For example, what percentage of respondents would approve of reducing the size of the federal bureaucracy? Or eliminating departments other than defense? Rand Paul and Paul Ryan both have budget plans on the table, but nobody was asked about those, or even if they knew what was in them. The only useful thing that came out of this poll is that people are beginning to see through the rhetoric around Obama and have figured out that the emperor is naked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    It's still hardly an accurate poll. For one thing, Democrats significantly outnumbered Republicans, even though nationwide, the registration is not that far apart.
    It's okay because the results show results by party affiliation.

    Also, only 21% of the people in this poll identified as Liberal while 39% and 40% identified as Moderate or Conservative, respectively.


    Also, this was a poll of 1,274 adults, but only 1,084 registered voters. That means that roughly one out of six are not going to vote, and their opinions are as valuable as the opinion of a vegetarian at a chili con carne cookoff.
    Read the study. They polled more adults than they concluded in he study, because the study was only for registered voters. In a random sample, you can't know before hand if the people you call are registered voters, so you're going to end up polling more people than you include in the study.

    For the data analysis,. 100% of the respondents used were in fact registered voters.

    Also 65% of the people polled were over 45 years of age.


    Finally, given only a few choices, most of the sample picked the least of the evils offered, but a number of options were not on the table. For example, what percentage of respondents would approve of reducing the size of the federal bureaucracy? Or eliminating departments other than defense? Rand Paul and Paul Ryan both have budget plans on the table, but nobody was asked about those, or even if they knew what was in them. The only useful thing that came out of this poll is that people are beginning to see through the rhetoric around Obama and have figured out that the emperor is naked.
    Yes it was a poll where people chose between different popular options and this is what they chose.
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    This popped up earlier in the week, but it deserves a mention: The Tax Foundation points out that the richest 10 percent in the United States pays more than 45 percent of the taxes, even though that group claims about 35 percent of the nation’s market income.

    That ratio is more progressive than any other country in the OECD. In plain language, the richest people shoulder a tax burden about one-third greater than their share of income.

    Mark Perry remarks that “countries with top personal income tax rates that are higher than in the U.S., such as Germany, France, or Sweden, have ratios that are closer to 1 to 1. Meaning, the share of the tax burden paid by the richest decile in those countries is roughly equal to their share of the nation’s income.”

    Decades ago, when U.S. top marginal tax rates were much higher, the share of taxes paid by the rich was much lower. That means that if the Democrats realized their dream of much higher tax rates, the share paid by the wealthy could well be much lower — as in Germany, France or Sweden.
    http://voices.kansascity.com/entries...x-system-oecd/


    How much more of the tax burden should the wealthy have to pay? Do you marxist asshole want them to shoulder the entire burden for the rest of those people that already don't pay?

    At some point to claim that the Dems are making the "wealthy" pay their "fair share" that definition of "rich" will be somewhere around $50K a year.

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