Florida Pastor And Associate In Jail After Refusing To Pay $1 Bond

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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr-22-11 07:21 PM
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Florida Pastor And Associate In Jail After Refusing To Pay $1 Bond

Judge Mark Somers set bond of one dollar each for Terry Jones and his associate Wayne Sapp.

The bond conditions also said the two could not set foot on the property of the Islamic Center of America or property adjacent to the mosque.

Both Jones and Sapp refused to pay the one dollar and were ordered to the Wayne County Jail.

Link: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/04/22/florida-pastor-a... /

This is an interesting case. Essentially they were "convicted", found "guilty" of planning to "incite violence" because they wanted to peacefully protest in front of a Dearborn mosque and individuals (likely Muslims or deranged liberals) had issued threats.

So as Allahpundit says:

If they thought his aim was peaceful, he’d be found not guilty; if they thought he meant to incite violence, then guilty as charged. Verdict: Guilty. Which means not only was this guy convicted of a speech crime he hadn’t yet committed (a.k.a. prior restraint), but it was only a crime in the first place because of the expected reaction from his opponent.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/2...slamic-center/

And DUers are just dandy with this verdict.

CelticThunder (54 posts) Fri Apr-22-11 07:27 PM
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2. Now it's time for him to rot there

Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-22-11 07:43 PM
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6. you know... as a society we should be able to cut out a cancer....

I think we should leave him there!

bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-22-11 07:45 PM
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7. Give both of them big, sweaty prison "friends". nt

Hmmmmm. I wonder what their response would have been if conservatives had threatened the union bosses that were organizing the protests in Wisconsin, and so Wisconsin arrested the union bosses for inciting violence?

I suppose, like liberals everywhere they will find some bogus reason that this is "different", but it's not different at all.

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Bozita (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-22-11 06:49 PM
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Dearborn jury: Terry Jones rally would breach the peace

Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 06:55 PM by Bozita
Source: Detroit Free Press

Dearborn jury: Terry Jones rally would breach the peace

A Dearborn jury just sided with prosecutors, ruling that Terry Jones and Wayne Sapp would breach the peace if they rallied at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn.

The development comes after the jury deliberated for several hours. Watch Freep.com for the verdict.

In closing arguments, Wayne County assistant prosecutor Robert Moran said
the pastors would disturb the peace if they were allowed to protest today at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn.

Jones and Sapp argued their right is protected under the First Amendment.
"That's what made America great," said Sapp. "We're entitled to our opinion."

Read more: http://www.freep.com/article/20110422/NEWS02/110422014/... |breaking|text|FRONTPAGE

notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-22-11 07:02 PM
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8. The guy has come into town armed

yes, he has his Fla permits, but he is carrying and loaded. He wants to incite violence, and that is against the law. If some crackhead was in the area wondering around armed, making threats and being loud, you can bet your butt the authorities would put a stop to it. I see no difference here. The guy might not be high on drugs, but being high on god can be so much worse.

izquierdista (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-22-11 07:20 PM
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16. A right to incite a riot?

He's already incited one riot halfway around the planet. I guess that wasn't good enough for him, he wants to be close enough to smell the blood that will be spilled. Speech isn't "free" when there is a cost to be measured in lives.

So if conservatives riot it means that liberals cannot protest. WOW!!

hardcover (78 posts) Fri Apr-22-11 09:07 PM
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28. My question is, if the courts can stop Jones from prosting mosques,

why can't the courts stop Fred Phelps from protesting funerals?
Should Islam get special treatment?

Both Jones and Phelps are dead wrong in the same way and yet the courts don't treat them the same.

Or more likely Phelps doesn't protest in Muslim areas. One of the liberals protected minorities, protected no matter what they do or who they threaten.

Yo_Mama (690 posts) Fri Apr-22-11 11:43 PM
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40. They do, but...

"Muslims of Dearborn also have the right to counter-protest and burn Bibles."

They are probably too civilized to do it. This is extremely obnoxious behavior.

B regretfully I agree with you, and more importantly there is solid SC precedent.

If we let the government decide who should be able to protest what shortly we'd all find ourselves gagged unless we feel like marching in support of whatever the current group is doing.

No, they just threaten, DUers call that "civilized" (for Muslims, at least). Sort of like they don't think that blacks are "smart enough" to get jobs without special considerations. Unlike conservatives who KNOW that they are smart enough to get any job they want if they apply themselves.

[Calypso Jones]

Michigan. No doubt when the time comes this judge will be one of the first killed for allah.

[Novaheart]

The problem is that judges cannot be punished for their actions on the bench. Thus, an elected judge can make a popular decision which he knows will be overturned by an appointed judge who doesn't live next door to the problem.

Judge Somers is an elected judge.



If protesters intend to be peaceful and are expressing their views, the government can't make them pay in order to express their First Amendment rights, he said.And the ACLU of Michigan attacked all parties who sought to restrict Jones -- Dearborn police, prosecutors, and the district judge who oversaw the trial.

"This is a complete abuse of the court process, and all those involved should be ashamed," said Rana Elmir of the ACLU Michigan office. "The prosecutor's office and the Dearborn court turned the First Amendment on its head. What happened today should never have happened."

[NJCardFan]

A Dearborn jury just sided with prosecutors, ruling that Terry Jones and Wayne Sapp would breach the peace if they rallied at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn.

Wait. They were found guilty of something that MIGHT have happened? Wow. Just wow. If the roles were reversed, the left would be screaming bloody murder. Hell, those idiots in Wisconsin DID breach the peace and not one person was arrested.

[Dan D. Doty]

Freedom of Speech has just been stabbed right in front of us; now we have to see if it is saved, or will the Moonbats cheer as it slowly bleeds to death.

[PoliCon]

Freedom of Speech has just been stabbed right in front of us; now we have to see if it is saved, or will the Moonbats cheer as it slowly bleeds to death.

The left has only ever believed in freedom of speech when they agree with that speech. Remember - they're the ones backing free speech zones on college campi.

[FDK]

The problem is that judges cannot be punished for their actions on the bench. Thus, an elected judge can make a popular decision which he knows will be overturned by an appointed judge who doesn't live next door to the problem.

The article indicates that this was a jury decision. Granted, the judge should not have let such a verdict stand but the jury gets some blame as well.