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They basically inherited the company... I fail to see what they themselves created that justifies their constant bitching.
The inherited a government that has now amassed $14 trillion in debt. That's grounds for bitching.
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First, it wasn't small.

Second, where would they have been without that inheritance? Hm? They were born into the opportunity they were given, so dont expect them to understand how people who aren't as lucky cant be like them.
Who knows? But they took the inheritance and built it up through their own effort and talent. Don't they have a right to protect that?
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I dont like wealth.
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Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
It's not even about them being wealthy, it's about the disproportiate amount of power and influence these people have in this Plutocracy we call the United States.
And here we go again...

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It's the fact that such incredible wealth accumulation necessarily comes with mass exploitation.
No, that's the opinion of those who have never actually accumulated any wealth.

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It's the fact that the Koch brothers openly and feverishly engage in Class War by using their wealth to destroy policies that benefit the working class, because doing so increases their profit margins.
This is also an opinion, not a fact. The policies that they oppose actually punish workers by restricting the capital available for their labor, discourage competition that would allow some to achieve more and destroy incentives to expand businesses and emply more workers, thus increasing the demand for labor, and the cost of it.

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This shouldn't be made into something too personal, this isn't abou the Koch brothers being bad people, or having bad morals, or demonizing them in particular. As pointed out, they also contribute to good causes and I'm sure in their personal life they are kind and loving to the people close to them.
This after you called them plutocrats who wage class warfare against workers. No, nothing demonizing there.

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The problem is systemic, it's not that the Koch brothers are dong something wrong, it's that the system necessarily creates Koch brothers, who engage in political hijacking, who overwhelm the political system for the purpose of class war.
The system that creates the aspect of the Koch brothers that you despise is the system that politicizes business decisions and imposes politics on private companies and individuals.

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Capitalists do what they do not because they are bad people, but because that's what a capitalist must do.

While the Koch brothers are good poster-children for the image of the wealthy capitalist elites exploiting people and using their non-elected financial power to control the elected representatives in our political system, it's dangerous to make it too much about them.
Spare us the Marxist cliches. Seriously.

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If the left focuses too hard on the Koch brothers, it makes it out as if they are just bad people and maybe if we had nicer people (like liberals) then it would all be okay, but that is just not true. The problem isn[t the personal characteristics or opinions of this wealthy class, it's the very structurally necessary existence and activities of this wealthy class
But the left believes in benign dictators. They'd be perfectly happy with an enlightened Stalin or Mao. It's all about the people who have power, not the concentration of power itself, which is why they are okay with Soros but not Koch, even though Soros came to his wealth through manipulation of currencies that impoverished millions of working people, who they claim to care about.