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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    I will concede this:

    conservatives are correct that the welfare state cannot solve the problems and excesses of capitalism.
    Excesses of capitalism? How the hell can you have too much freedom?
    the welfare state is a bandaid at best, a bandaid which creates many new problems on it's own, but there are many people bleeding out there who rely on that bandaid to survive.
    The welfare state is and always has been a means to an end. It is and was designed to centralize power with the progressive political elite and make the masses dependent on the largess of these same elites.
    if we dismantal the welfare state, the excesses of capitalism will grow to the levels that exceed what they were a century ago.
    Are you speaking of the state enabled and sponsored monopolies? The ones that only existed because the state interfered in the free market in the first place??
    dismantaling the welfare state is an effective way to speed up the collapse of the Empire.
    What empire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    unless we take an honest critical look at the capitalist mode of production itself, and stop pretending that it is a perfect system which is disturbed from without, and acknowledge that there are contradictions and antagonisms at the heart of the capitalist economy, then we are fucked.
    You really need to go and live in Cuba for a while. You should experience first hand the results of your class warfare doctrines and the bullshit you espouse.
    it seems all of the Cold War era propaganda will be our undoing. we tried so hard to convince the American people that PURE CAPITALISM IS THE LIGHT and anything that isn't pure capitalism is the devil - and we succeeded. that is such a naive, childish, frankly stupid picture useful only as a means to get people riled up about a war. Everyone believed it though, and because today in the post-Cold War era, no one is able to even critique capitalism, everyone acts perplexed as to why our problems can't be solved.


    “ Capitalism,” a term of disparagement coined by socialists in the mid-nineteenth century, is a misnomer for “economic individualism,” which Adam Smith earlier called “the obvious and simple system of natural liberty” (Wealth of Nations). Economic individualism’s basic premise is that the pursuit of self-interest and the right to own private property are morally defensible and legally legitimate. Its major corollary is that the state exists to protect individual rights. Subject to certain restrictions, individuals (alone or with others) are free to decide where to invest, what to produce or sell, and what prices to charge. There is no natural limit to the range of their efforts in terms of assets, sales, and profits; or the number of customers, employees, and investors; or whether they operate in local, regional, national, or international markets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    You really need to go and live in Cuba for a while. You should experience first hand the results of your class warfare doctrines and the bullshit you espouse.

    Has the US since 1900 been like Cuba? You guys want to take this country back a hundred years. Has America been that horrible for over a century?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtintheMiddle1990 View Post
    Has the US since 1900 been like Cuba? You guys want to take this country back a hundred years. Has America been that horrible for over a century?
    you'll notice this tendency amongst the brainwashed to take any critique of capitalism and run to the extreme and say WELL THEN I GUESS YOU WANT TO LIVE IN NORTH KOREA MR STALIN

    it demonstrates a lack of critical thought and reflection
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Smith - Wealth of Nations
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtintheMiddle1990 View Post
    Has the US since 1900 been like Cuba? You guys want to take this country back a hundred years. Has America been that horrible for over a century?
    Take America back 100 years? We want the federal government reduced to where it belongs - if it's been 100 years since the federal government operated within it's constitutional boundaries - then so be it. That is not the same as saying take the country back 100 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    you'll notice this tendency amongst the brainwashed to take any critique of capitalism and run to the extreme and say WELL THEN I GUESS YOU WANT TO LIVE IN NORTH KOREA MR STALIN

    it demonstrates a lack of critical thought and reflection
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    Take America back 100 years? We want the federal government reduced to where it belongs - if it's been 100 years since the federal government operated within it's constitutional boundaries - then so be it. That is not the same as saying take the country back 100 years.
    Um, yes it is.
    Has this country been that horrible since you were born? Since your parents were born?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtintheMiddle1990 View Post
    Um, yes it is.
    Has this country been that horrible since you were born? Since your parents were born?
    um sorry but no. Who is saying we give up phones or computers or TV or any such like? Asking the government to function within the constitutional framework is not the same as asking people to be come Luddites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    um sorry but no. Who is saying we give up phones or computers or TV or any such like? Asking the government to function within the constitutional framework is not the same as asking people to be come Luddites.
    Has the government been that horrible and tyrannical since you were born? Since before you born?
    Why do we have to return to utter Laissez-Faire economics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtintheMiddle1990 View Post
    Has the government been that horrible and tyrannical since you were born? Since before you born?
    Why do we have to return to utter Laissez-Faire economics?
    WHY?

    Because the government that governs LEAST governs BEST.

    Because people should be inviolate in their private property.

    Because the federal government has no business engaging in "charity."

    Because we believe in freedom.

    Because the political class needs to be abolished before they reinstate feudalism.
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