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    I studied Adventist theology too. I do agree with some of what the Adventists teach but their still part of Protestantism which is part of apostate religious Babylon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liberatecarl.com View Post
    I studied Adventist theology too. I do agree with some of what the Adventists teach but their still part of Protestantism which is part of apostate religious Babylon.
    Do you understand the concept of the invisible Church?

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    God works through certain people as an organization to get the message out to people. God dont want half-truths being shared with people. He wants Bible researchers who are willing to put all that theology nonsense away and just use the Bible without all those doctrinal rules.God dont work through the apostate religious system because they have been confused by theologies and eschatologies developed during the foretold apostasy. The wheat and the tares. The Bible says God is a God of order, not confusion
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    Quote Originally Posted by liberatecarl.com View Post
    God works through certain people as an organization to get the message out to people. God dont want half-truths being shared with people. He wants Bible researchers who are willing to put all that theology nonsense away and just use the Bible without all that doctrinal rules.
    And you know this how? Let me guess...you spoke to god and he gave you the big plan?
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    God worked through Israel as an organized nation. He also dealt with the Israelites as individuals. When the Kingdom of God was taken away from Israel and given to a "new nation" spiritual Israel, God worked through the 1st century Christians as his organized group. But after the death of the apostles came the falling away from pure worship and the teachings of Christ were mixed with pagan customs and traditions of men. This was the fulfillment of scripture. The foretold apostasy. The man of sin which sits in the temple of God just like the Pharisees sat in the seat of Moses. The corruption went on for centuries. Emperor Constantine gave official recorgnition to this apostate form of Christianity which has been corrupted through the centuries and the churches keep getting worse and worse and more and more people are turning away from God. Trying to restore the purity and simplicity of Jesus teachings and getting those teachings out to the masses so they can have eternal life under jesus rule on the new earth
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    Quote Originally Posted by liberatecarl.com View Post
    God worked through Israel as an organized nation. He also dealt with the Israelites as individuals. When the Kingdom of God was taken away from Israel and given to a "new nation" spiritual Israel, God worked through the 1st century Christians as his organized group. But after the death of the apostles came the falling away from pure worship and the teachings of Christ were mixed with pagan customs and traditions of men. This was the fulfillment of scripture. The foretold apostasy. The man of sin which sits in the temple of God just like the Pharisees sat in the seat of Moses. The corruption went on for centuries. Emperor Constantine gave official recorgnition to this apostate form of Christianity which has been corrupted through the centuries and the churches keep getting worse and worse and more and more people are turning away from God. Trying to restore the purity and simplicity of Jesus teachings and getting those teachings out to the masses so they can have eternal life under jesus rule on the new earth
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    What a pleasure it will be to step forward after the “great tribulation” into the cleansed earth and to experience the start of the thousand-year reign of Christ and his bride composed of 144,000 men and women purchased from the earth! They will be turning their attention to humankind, with a view to raising a large family of perfect sons and daughters. What loving parents these will be! Moved by love and compassion, they will begin their parental activities, giving the guidance and help needed for the tribulation survivors to overcome their weaknesses and imperfections. Then, after Jesus Christ raises the dead to life, the bride will work along with him in aiding the resurrected ones to start growing to perfection. By means of what Christ and his bride will be doing for humankind, the tent or tabernacle of Jehovah God will be with men. (Rev. 21:1-4) To represent them on earth they will have faithful men as princes. (Ps. 45:16) These princes will not be like the corrupt, self-seeking politicians that have governed people for many centuries. Rather, they will be like the ones whom Moses was told to choose: “Capable men, fearing God, trustworthy men, hating unjust profit.” (Ex. 18:21) These will provide a just and loving administration, with security and comfort for all.—Isa. 32:1, 2.
    8 The ungodly world having been destroyed and Satan and his demons abyssed, there will be no more wickedness, no more false religion, no more demonic activities. ‘No one will do any harm or bring about any ruin in all God’s holy mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters cover the very sea.’ (Isa. 11:9) Not only will there be peace between all peoples and races, but there will be peace between men and the rest of earth’s creatures: “For them I shall certainly conclude a covenant in that day in connection with the wild beast of the field and with the flying creature of the heavens and the creeping thing of the ground, .*.*. and I will make them lie down in security.” Humankind will exercise a loving dominion; man will not fear the animals, and the animals will have no morbid fear of man. The whole earth will reflect the glory of its Creator, who is the “God who gives peace,” and of Jesus Christ, who is the “Prince of Peace.”—Hos. 2:18; Rom. 16:20; Isa. 9:6.
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    Arrgh, the wall of text strikes again!!!!!

    Dude, paragraphs, they are your friend. Use them...embrace them....and you won't blind anyone to your message when their eyes glaze over trying to read it.

    Also, cut n' paste doesn't help your message.
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    Also with the utmost assurance we can look forward to the resurrection of the dead. Why? Because God has given us many promises to that effect, and he cannot lie. (Titus 1:2) Moreover, he has furnished to all men a guarantee of it in that he raised Jesus from the dead. (Acts 17:31) The resurrection is so sure of taking place that Jehovah counts those dead as being actually alive, even as Jesus told the doubting Sadducees of his day.—Matt. 22:31, 32.
    10 What will be resurrected? Not the body that died, for it has returned to the dust and may have become part of other living things. As the apostle Paul shows: “What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies; and as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but a bare grain,” and “God gives it a body just as it has pleased him.” (1*Cor. 15:35-38) Yes, not a body made up of the same molecules, but the soul—the person—will be raised from gravedom, Sheol or Hades, even as it was foretold regarding Jesus: “You will not leave my soul in Sheol.”—Ps. 16:10; Acts 2:24-27.
    11 What kind of body will the resurrected soul or person have? For those sharing in the first resurrection it will be a glorious, divine, incorruptible body. The first resurrection is first in time, importance and quality, and is experienced by the anointed footstep followers of Christ, the 144,000 shown standing upon Mount Zion. (Rev. 20:4, 6; 14:1, 3) Regarding the resurrection of sleeping anointed ones during the Lord’s presence, we read: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.” (1*Thess. 4:16) Concerning the remaining ones of this group who die after that resurrection, Paul goes on to say: “Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with the Lord.” (1*Thess. 4:17; Rev. 14:13) As shown at 1*Corinthians 15:51, 52, this means that they do not fall asleep in death, but are instantly raised to heavenly life and united with the Lord Jesus Christ in the invisible heavens.
    12 What about the rest of dead mankind? The apostle Paul testified that “there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” Similarly, Jesus foretold that “all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice” and come forth. Further, we are told that “death and Hades” will give up all the dead in them. Included among these will be the sympathetic evildoer impaled alongside Jesus and to whom Jesus said: “Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise.” (Acts 24:15; John 5:28, 29; Rev. 20:13; Luke 23:42, 43) In view of their evidently being assigned as earthly representatives of the Kingdom, faithful men from Abel on to John the Baptist will likely be among the first to be resurrected. (Ps. 45:16) Any of those who have met God’s requirements for surviving the “great tribulation” but who have died or may yet die before that event will doubtless also be raised to life early during the thousand-year reign. This would be reasonable, as such persons could be very helpful in educating the many unrighteous ones who will be resurrected.
    13 What about those coming back to live on the earth? What kind of bodies will they have? What will they look like? As illustrated by past resurrections, especially that of Lazarus, they will no doubt look much like they did before they died, so as to be recognizable to themselves and others. (John 11:39-44) A tall person will not come back as a short person, nor will a very old person come back looking like a teen-ager. Men will be men, and women, women. They will have their identical personalities and the same memory. As was evidently true of those resurrected in the past, the resurrected ones will have sound and complete bodies. They will not come back in the sickly condition that led to their death. But this does not mean that they will have perfect bodies, for such would not go with imperfect personalities. Rather, they will come forth with imperfect bodies and, as they make spiritual progress, overcoming their weaknesses and imperfections through obedience to Kingdom rule and their receiving the atoning benefits of Jesus’ sacrifice, their bodies will come ever closer to perfection.
    14 The resurrection provision is an expression of love on the part of Jehovah God, as seen from the words of patient and faithful Job: “If an able-bodied man dies can he live again? .*.*. You will call, and I myself shall answer you. For the work of your hands you will have a yearning.” Yes, Jehovah God has a yearning for those in Sheol or Hades, in particular for those who, like Job, proved their integrity to him under severe trials.—Job 14:14, 15.
    15 And surely the resurrection of countless millions will also bring great joy to Jesus Christ. Indicative of Jesus’ willingness and pleasure to do this for humankind is his response to a leper who once came to Jesus, saying to him in faith: “Lord, if you just want to, you can make me clean.” And what did Jesus say to him? “‘I want to. Be made clean.’ And immediately the leprosy vanished from him.”—Luke 5:12, 13.
    16 Truly the resurrection is also something for us to look forward to with eager anticipation and joy. Our doing so in faith can be a real source of encouragement and blessing to us and fellowmen even now. When death claims loved ones, we will not give way to the extremes of grief and sorrow of those having no hope. (1*Thess. 4:13, 14) We will be able to give genuine comfort to mourning ones. (2*Cor. 1:3, 4) Because of having made the resurrection hope our own, we have the confidence that even if men take our lives, they cannot wipe us out from God’s memory and prevent our being raised from the dead. (Matt. 10:28) This serves to strengthen us in remaining loyal to Jehovah God regardless of what men might do to us.—Rev. 2:10; 12:11.
    17 A further incentive to faithfulness is the fact that there is a possibility of losing out on the reward of life. (Compare 2*Timothy 4:8.) The Bible reveals that deliberate practicers of sin—those who sin against God’s spirit—will not be raised from the dead. (Matt. 12:31, 32; Heb. 10:26, 27) This should certainly encourage us to imitate the apostle Paul’s example in striving to maintain faithfulness. Paul said of himself: “I pummel my body and lead it as a slave, that, after I have preached to others, I myself should not become disapproved somehow.” (1*Cor. 9:27) Yes, may we never lose sight of the reward of life and fail to exert ourselves in sticking loyally to Jehovah God.
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    Hmmm, yet another wall of text.

    No desire to read that.
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