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    Quote Originally Posted by liberatecarl.com View Post
    The Bible says that theyre one like a husband and wife are 'one' flesh- John 10:30; Matthew 19:4-6

    Disciples must have same 'oneness' -John 17:20-22; 1 Corinthians 1:10
    yeah, the Godhead is 'one' but it's also three. It's difficult for our minds to wrap around the concept of an infinite being due to our finite view point. This is where Faith comes in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liberatecarl.com View Post
    If they die God will resurrect them. Some people die from blood transfusions too. Too many diseases in the blood.
    ok, so if we have the ability to heal through nearly any means why shouldn't we? Christ healed anyone that asked and some that didn't but still had faith that he would heal them and did it on the Sabbath much to the chagrin to the Jewish leaders, heck he even gathered food on the Sabbath that upset them. He even told us to heal when possible.

    yes there are certain things that are unethical like fetal stem cells that shouldn't be used, but blood is not one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liberatecarl.com View Post
    If they die God will resurrect them. Some people die from blood transfusions too. Too many diseases in the blood.
    So, even though they can be saved with a proceedure that has been proven safe in the past, you'd let an innocent child die? Not very Christian of you, breaking one of the Ten Commandments like that...you know, "Thou Shall Not Kill"? Because, through your actions, or inactions in this case, you would kill the child. As for God resurecting them? It has never happened before...you can't point to any real world instance of this happening and say "God resurected them".

    Oh, and respond to this with your own words, without the scripture cut-n-paste, wall-o-text reply, because I won't read it if you do.
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    The resurrection hasn't occurred yet. When Jesus is ruling as king for 1000 years, he will start resurrecting people then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liberatecarl.com View Post
    The resurrection hasn't occurred yet. When Jesus is ruling as king for 1000 years, he will start resurrecting people then.
    Well, until that happens IF IT HAPPENS (and thats a BIG if), you're breaking the commandment "Thou Shall Not Kill'. Again, not very Christian of you and very sick in the head if you ask me. Denying a child something that could save their life because of your interpetation of scripture that may or may not be right? Not a religion I want anything to do with.
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    it's actually "Thou Shall not Murder", but your point still stands
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    abstain from blood. The early Christians were tempted with blood filled sausages. Human and animal. There are blood alternatives which jw use. jw use blood fragments too

    Witnesses are told that the use of fractions such as albumin, immunoglobulins and hemophiliac preparations are "not absolutely prohibited" and a matter of personal choice.[3] Although accepted by the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses, a minority does not endorse this doctrine.[5

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah...d_transfusions
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    Quote Originally Posted by liberatecarl.com View Post
    The resurrection hasn't occurred yet. When Jesus is ruling as king for 1000 years, he will start resurrecting people then.
    resurrecting the dead in Christ happens at 'rapture'. They will rule with Christ for the 1000 years. At the end of that thousand years. Satan will be released one last time. right? or wrong?
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    there is no 'rapture like the Left Behind series says.' This is a misunderstanding of Scripture. The dead in union raised with Christ around 1919 (See Daniel prophecy book) those who died afterwards were caught up in a twinkling of an eye (we the living) This is the first resurrection. The remnant of the 144000, when the day theyre caught up immediately instead of waiting in their graves like (those who have died.) This so called rapture is already taking place. It refers to th 144000. Not those whole live on the new earth. The second resurrection takes place on the paradise earth after Armageddon Then there is a thousand years. MAnkind will gradually be raised to life (perfection) during the thousand years. Then Satan is let out one more time
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    Resurrection of Christ’s “brothers.” Those who are “called and chosen and faithful,” Christ’s footstep followers, his “brothers,” who are spiritually begotten as “God’s children,” are promised a resurrection like his. (Re 17:14; Ro 6:5; 8:15,*16; Heb 2:11) The apostle Peter writes to fellow Christians: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you.”—1Pe 1:3,*4.
    Peter also describes the hope such ones possess as “precious and very grand promises, that through these you may become sharers in divine nature.” (2Pe 1:4) They must undergo a change of nature, giving up human nature to obtain “divine” nature, thus sharing with Christ in his glory. They must die a death like Christ’s—maintaining integrity and giving up human life forever—and then they receive immortal, incorruptible bodies like Christ’s by a resurrection. (Ro 6:3-5; 1Co 15:50-57; 2Co 5:1-3) The apostle Paul explains that it is not the body that is resurrected, but rather, he likens their experience to the planting and sprouting of a seed, in that “God gives it a body just as it has pleased him.” (1Co 15:35-40) It is the soul, the person, that is resurrected, with a body to suit the environment into which God resurrects him.
    In the case of Jesus Christ, he gave up his human life as a ransom sacrifice for the benefit of mankind. The 40th Psalm is applied to him by the inspired writer of the book of Hebrews, who represents Jesus as saying, when he came “into the world” as God’s Messiah: “Sacrifice and offering you did not want, but you prepared a body for me.” (Heb 10:5) Jesus himself said: “For a fact, the bread that I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world.” (Joh 6:51) It follows that Christ could not take his body back again in the resurrection, thereby taking back the sacrifice offered to God for mankind. Besides, Christ was no longer to abide on earth. His “home” is in the heavens with his Father, who is not flesh, but spirit. (Joh 14:3; 4:24) Jesus Christ therefore received a glorious immortal, incorruptible body, for “he is the reflection of [Jehovah’s] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. So he has become better than the angels [who are themselves mighty spirit persons], to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.”—Heb 1:3,*4; 10:12,*13.
    Christ’s faithful brothers, who join him in the heavens, give up human life. The apostle Paul shows that they have to have new bodies repatterned, or refashioned, for their new environment: “As for us, our citizenship exists in the heavens, from which place also we are eagerly waiting for a savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will refashion our humiliated body to be conformed to his glorious body according to the operation of the power that he has.”—Php 3:20,*21.
    Time of the heavenly resurrection. The heavenly resurrection of Christ’s joint heirs begins after Jesus Christ returns in heavenly glory, to give first attention to his spiritual brothers. Christ himself is called “the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death.” Paul then says that each one will be resurrected in his own rank, “Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence.” (1Co 15:20,*23) These, as “the house of God,” have been under judgment during their Christian life course, beginning with the first of their number at Pentecost. (1Pe 4:17) They are “certain [literally, some] firstfruits.” (Jas 1:18, Int; Re 14:4) Jesus Christ can be compared to the barley firstfruits offered by the Israelites on Nisan 16 (“Christ the firstfruits”), and his spiritual brothers as “firstfruits” (“certain firstfruits”) can be compared to the wheat firstfruits offered on Pentecost day, the 50th day from Nisan 16.—Le 23:4-12, 15-20.
    These have been under judgment, so at Christ’s return it is time to give the reward to them, his faithful anointed ones, just as he promised his 11 faithful apostles on the evening before his death: “I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, .*.*. I am coming again and will receive you home to myself, that where I am you also may be.”—Joh 14:2,*3; Lu 19:12-23; compare 2Ti 4:1,*8; Re 11:17,*18.
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