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    Quote Originally Posted by tetrispro View Post
    jw is an international theocratic organization. Theocracy b y means of Christ Jesus
    That is all fine and good for you but why don't you do some browsing and share some of your opinions on other subjects.
    The difference between pigs and people is that when they tell you you're cured it isn't a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetrispro View Post
    2 Peter 1:20 ...no prophecy of scripture springs from any private interpretation.
    And that is a lie. To explain how scripture relates to actual, real life events you interpret how they relate.

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    We also use secular history to prove Bible prophecy has been fulfilled. Prophecy is history written in advance.
    Both of which require you to interpret scripture to show that a prophecy has happened.

    Here is the definition of the word interpret from Dictionary.com

    in·ter·pret - [in-tur-prit]

    –verb (used with object)
    1. to give or provide the meaning of; explain; explicate; elucidate: to interpret the hidden meaning of a parable.
    2. to construe or understand in a particular way: to interpret a reply as favorable.
    3. to bring out the meaning of (a dramatic work, music, etc.) by performance or execution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    And people say Scientologitsts are crazy... guys like this one prove Christians got there first!
    Jehovah's witnesses don't claim Christianity.
    The difference between pigs and people is that when they tell you you're cured it isn't a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Jehovah's witnesses don't claim Christianity.
    why would willbuurr care? anything that has anything to do with religion in any format other than his precious Commie anti-theistic religion is crazy
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    Food for thought

    New World Translation Bible - Is it Credible?
    Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that the New World Translation (NWT) Bible is the “work of competent scholars.” Conversely, they contend that other Bible translations are corrupted by religious traditions that are rooted in paganism. In reality, the NWT is the work of a Bible Translation Committee with no working knowledge of biblical languages. Their bias is so blatant that Dr Bruce Metzger, professor of New Testament at Princeton, not only characterized the NWT as a “frightful mistranslation” but as “erroneous,” “pernicious,” and “reprehensible.”

    New World Translation Bible -Deity of Jesus Christ

    First, the NWT mistranslates the Greek Scriptures in order to expunge the deity of Jesus Christ. Against all credible scholarship, Jesus is downgraded from God to “a” god in John 1 and demoted from the Creator of all things to a mere creature who created all other things in Colossians 1. According to the translation committee of the Watchtower Society, Jesus was created by God as the archangel Michael, during his earthly sojourn was merely human, and after his crucifixion was re-created an immaterial spirit creature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaGator View Post
    But...but...but I thought the Bible couldn't be interpreted privately????

    At least that's what our scripture spammer says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaGator View Post


    I mistrust any group that claims their publisher's Bible interpretation is the only true one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaGator View Post
    Read Colossians. The prehuman Jesus DID creat all things, but BEFORE Jesus created all things, he himself was created by his Father Jehovah

    The Father Jehovah has NO beginning but the prehuman Jesus had a beginning. That is why Jesus was begotten in heaven (before he came to earth) by his Father Jehovah before anything else was created. Jesus was known as Michael the Archangel before he came to the earth and after he left the earth. Jesus was his human name. His divine title is Michael. With an archangel's voice (how could Jesus have an archangel's voice if he is not the archangel Michael) and with God's trumpet and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first (1 Thessalonians 4:16)
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    Colossians 1:15 – Did Jesus Have a Beginning?
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    He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. — Colossians 1:15

    One claims that Colossians 1:15-20 makes no sense except in the context that there is a trinity. And, yet, in order to get the trinity doctrine into the the verses, one has use the great human spirit of imagination, assumptions based on what is imagined, add those assumptions to, and read those assumptions into, the passage being discussed.

    We should note first that “God” is used unipersonally in the phrase “image of the invisible God.” The word “God” is referring, not to three persons, but to one person. The context shows that the word “God” is being used to denote the one person, “God, the Father of our Lord Jesus.” (Colossians 1:13) Again, Colossians 3:1, we read that Jesus sits at the right hand of “God”, and it should be apparent that “God” is there unipersonal, not tripersonal. “God” refers to one person, the God and Father of Jesus. (Ephesians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:3) All through the New Testament, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is always presented as the one person: the God and Father of Jesus. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is never, not even once, ever presented as more than one person.

    So what the trinitarian has to do is use his spirit of human imagination so as to imagine that “God” refers to the assumed first person of the trinitarian assumptions. Then they have further use his spirit of human imagination to image that “He,” which refers to Jesus, means the imagined second person of the trinitarian assumptions. And thus, in this manner the trinitarian assumptions are added to, and read into, what Paul wrote. In reality, the phrase “image of God” shows that Jesus is not the

    The scriptures are quite plain on the fact that Jesus came into existence through a creative act of God. This can be clearly seen from Colossians 1:15, in speaking of Jesus: “who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation”.

    Two things in this verse show that Jesus had a beginning and that he was created.

    First, its structure shows that he came into living existence by a creative act. The rule of Greek grammar on the partitive genitive proves this, because the construction, “firstborn of every creature [or all creation]“, is in Greek grammar called the partitive genitive, that is, the genitive which contains as a part of its contents the thing or things mentioned in the noun that governs the genitive. The expression, “the firstborn of every creature,” being in the Greek a partitive genitive, it includes as a part of itself the thing implied in the noun that governs it, that being “firstborn.” Therefore, it implies that the firstborn one is a part of creation and, accordingly, was created and thus had a beginning.

    Additionally, Jesus’ being called “firstborn” of every creature, or of all creation, proves that he came into existence by a creative act, even as those who are the afterborn of creation came into existence by a creative act. Being born of God as the first of the creation spoken of, he is not Yahweh the Almighty who gave this birth to him.

    Some claim that his scripture teaches that Christ is over all creation; the ruler of all creation, and thus that Jesus is apart from the class of created beings.

    The word “firstborn” is always used in either of two settings: as being the firstborn offspring of a father (as in Genesis 25:13), or as being part of the group being spoken of. Nevertheless even when used as the firstborn offspring of a father, it is still the group of children that the offspring of the father that the firstborn is a member of. For instance, In Exodus 11:5 we find: “the firstborn of Pharaoh” is one of the group that would make up Pharaoh’s offspring. Still, since Colossians 1:15 is definitely not saying that Jesus is the offspring of creation, making the creation the father, the other alternative is that Jesus is definitely included as part of the creation of which he is firstborn. In no case does “firstborn” mean that the firstborn did not have a beginning, or that the firstborn is not included in the group of which he is firstborn.
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    http://www.creation-science-prophecy.com/michael.htm

    The Protestants and Catholics are wrong about Jesus. The so-called Church is an instrument of Satan to deceive people. Because Satan corrupted Christianity. The JW restores cHRISTIANITY TO THE PURE AND SIMPLE TEACHINGS OF cHRIST

    jESUS SAID HIS TRUE FOLLOWERS WOULD BE OBJECTS OF HATRED AND SPOKEN AGAINST (aPOSTLE pAUL) Anyone who disagrees with the so-called Church is labelled as a CULT (spoken against) That is how Satan operates.
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