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    Ok, is there anything bad from the idea of letting productive immigrants stay? Lets try that out, see what idea's we can get.
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    Do what Ronald Reagan did.

    He signed a bill strengthening border security while allowing a pathway to citizenship for immigrants who were here working and not committing crimes.

    Makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    Which is also wrong. Give some a path to citizenship, they cannot be exploited like that. Give the others a boot to the ass, and then we don't have this "slave labor" for them anymore.
    Send them all home and they can apply for our legal path to citizenship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Send them all home and they can apply for our legal path to citizenship.
    What do you do about splitting up families? Often times illegal immigrants have children in the US, which according the US Constitution makes them US citizens. You cannot deport US citizens, but if you break up their families you are almost certain to end up with children who have emotional problems and a disdain for the law. We want our immigrants to be productive members of society, and breaking up their families and deporting their parents is not a good way to do that.

    Breaking up families just for a sense of retribution does more harm than good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    We can and have deported large numbers of illegals, in 1954 1,075,168 went back to Mexico. Some estimates are as high as 13 million illegal Mexican nationals were returned by Eisenhower, we can return them, we just don't want to. They will vote Democrat.
    Then why are Republicans in Florida fighting against immigration enforcement?
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    The real truth is that the people who benefit most from illegal immigration are not the immigrants, but the scumbag employers who hire and exploit them ,knowing that they cannot claim rights. in the American south it is all to prevelant that migrant workers are exploited because their employers know they cannot legally claim their rights. they are often paid under the table at below minimum wage with absolutely no security or benefits.

    While this is horrible, this sort of exploitation sustains the economy down here. It's not a pretty fact but it is the truth. If all of the illegal immigrants were to up and leave, the economy would collapse.

    Profits come from exploiting labor, and illegal immigrants can be exploited more than legal citizens, so there is a HUGE amount of profit at stake in the immigration issue, and it mostly comes from employers.

    This is the real reason why true immigration reform will never happen. Politicians are not pandering to illegal immigrants, they are pandering to the business owners who exploit them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Then why are Republicans in Florida fighting against immigration enforcement?
    that should be obvious ;)


    Just like the democrats talk big game about delivering workers rights and single payer health care (but never do, because that goes against their corporate interests) so does the republican party talk big game about enforcing immigration policies but of course they dont because that goes against their economic interests as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Then why are Republicans in Florida fighting against immigration enforcement?
    See post 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    What do you do about splitting up families?
    You allow the illegals to take their children with them.

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    .... which according the US Constitution makes them US citizens.
    Actually that's according to a court ruling, not according to the US constitution. The 14th Amendment was not intended to make the children of illegal aliens or tourists US citizens. The fact that John McCain is a natural born US citizen makes this quite clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    Which is also wrong. Give some a path to citizenship, they cannot be exploited like that. Give the others a boot to the ass, and then we don't have this "slave labor" for them anymore.
    immigrants who don't commit crimes (besides their immigration of course) should be given a path to citizenship so long as they pay a fine for their illegal immigration. if they have a clear criminal background they should be allowed to become citizens. they work here, they contribute to the american economy and they pay sales taxes on everyhing they purchase.

    children who were brought here by their parents by no choice of their own should be allowed to stay, as long as they go to college or serve in the military or the peace corps or some other voluntary service (perhaps even community service).

    they should be required to learn english and pass a citizenship test, but they should not be deported.

    if they break other laws or act like scum, then they should be deported.
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