A Brief Primer on Ron Paul a.k.a. Dr. Nutz

**txradioguy** · 05-15-2011, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Madisonian

And if we were all being open and honest with ourselves and each other, I would wager more than a small minority of members of this agree with most or all of these statements.

And so that makes it ok?

**Madisonian** · 05-15-2011, 07:03 PM

Nope, makes it reality.

**Articulate_Ape** · 05-15-2011, 10:11 PM

Would this be a bad time for me to say that, unless the GOP field of candidates can come up with something other than a retread or a wannabe, my vote is going to Ron Paul? Fighting wars is pretty hard when your war chest in as empty as a Liberal's skull. Hello?

As far as the 9/11 bullshit, it is just that. Jesse Ventura might buy into that crap and say he is a Libertarian, does that paint the whole party? If that's the case, then we Tea Partiers have a BIG problem with this asshat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cLxQ4B23_g

Time to lay down that broad brush unless you like it being applied equally. I'm just sayin'. I'll shut up now.

**Articulate_Ape** · 05-15-2011, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by American Pitbull

Ron Paul and KookSinItch should form their own political party. Their party seal can be a ... (I shall refrain).

Isn't that what we desire from our federal government, or did I miss something?

**txradioguy** · 05-16-2011, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Articulate_Ape

Would this be a bad time for me to say that, unless the GOP field of candidates can come up with something other than a retread or a wannabe, my vote is going to Ron Paul? Fighting wars is pretty hard when your war chest in as empty as a Liberal's skull. Hello?

Riiight and we can let him drag us back to the early 20th Century Gold Standard and empty EVERYONES coffers so we're all poor together!

The serious candidates for the Republican ticket IMHO haven't surfaced yet. We're just seeing the filler for the debates out there right now with one exception...Herman Cain.

Paul...like Newt falls into that unserious buch that have declared early in hopes of getting a big head start.

I think he'll be there in one way or another at the end of the day.

As far as the 9/11 bullshit, it is just that. Jesse Ventura might buy into that crap and say he is a Libertarian, does that paint the whole party? If that's the case, then we Tea Partiers have a BIG problem with this asshat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cLxQ4B23_g

Time to lay down that broad brush unless you like it being applied equally. I'm just sayin'. I'll shut up now.

You and I think it's bullshit but there is a big audience out there that is just as delusional as those two are. Hell even the MSM is giving Alex Jones face time and treating him like he's legit.

And I don't paint with broad brush on the Cult Leader. As I've done before whent he cultists arrive I get specific on why he'd be more disastrous as a faux Republican than McCain was.

**wilbur** · 05-16-2011, 11:28 AM

RP can be called many things... crazy perhaps... old fool maybe...

but its just delusional to call him anything but a strict libertarian... absolutely delusional. He's like Harry Ried? WTF?

Disagree with him and his foreign policy all you want, that's fine... but I'm fairly certain he is no truther - the quote you've marshalled to try and support that claim fails bigtime.

**Articulate_Ape** · 05-16-2011, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by txradioguy

Riiight and we can let him drag us back to the early 20th Century Gold Standard and empty EVERYONES coffers so we're all poor together!

Yes, what a madman. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43439

I hate to break it to you, but the dollar is fucked the fare-thee-well. Whether we revert to the gold standard or not, who knows? We will be doing things very differently sooner rather than later. The time for choosing not to has come and gone I'm afraid.

**Madisonian** · 05-16-2011, 06:07 PM

I am not saying I would agree with Paul on many of his stances, but he keeps getting hammered on the foreign policy thing and the difference between isolationist and non-interventionist policy.

I was born during the Korean War, grew up during Viet Nam, and will probably retire before we are out of Afghanistan and Iraq, let alone Libya or maybe Iran on the horizon.
In between actual all out armed conflicts, there was the Cold War, Bay of Pigs, Iran hostages, Grenada, a few bombs into Libya, peacekeeping in Bosnia, Somalia and a few others here and there.

We have been in a state of armed conflict or at the brink for almost my entire life. I keep hearing that it is to keep Americans safe, yet each year seems to provide less security and less confidence of a secure future than the one before it.

I am not saying I have the answer or Ron Paul does or anyone else may, but 61 years since the end of WW2 has not shown the presidents we have elected to be any better.

I would like someone to tell me how they think that this country can survive perpetual war or who they think is going to end it.

**Articulate_Ape** · 05-16-2011, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Madisonian

I am not saying I would agree with Paul on many of his stances, but he keeps getting hammered on the foreign policy thing and the difference between isolationist and non-interventionist policy.

I was born during the Korean War, grew up during Viet Nam, and will probably retire before we are out of Afghanistan and Iraq, let alone Libya or maybe Iran on the horizon.
In between actual all out armed conflicts, there was the Cold War, Bay of Pigs, Iran hostages, Grenada, a few bombs into Libya, peacekeeping in Bosnia, Somalia and a few others here and there.

We have been in a state of armed conflict or at the brink for almost my entire life. I keep hearing that it is to keep Americans safe, yet each year seems to provide less security and less confidence of a secure future than the one before it.

I am not saying I have the answer or Ron Paul does or anyone else may, but 61 years since the end of WW2 has not shown the presidents we have elected to be any better.

I would like someone to tell me how they think that this country can survive perpetual war or who they think is going to end it.

Great post. The reality is that economic reality is going to end it. Like previous empires, regardless of their motives or even morality, we can no longer afford these adventures. We just can't. We need to focus on protecting our own territory(s) and let others do the same. Focus on defense, which is what the role of our military was intended for. Whether we want to or not, we cannot save the world from itself, but we can save ourselves.

Again, one can argue the philosophical and moral merits of our current foreign policy and our military's role in that policy, but as a practical matter it is moot. We simply can no longer afford to do what we have been doing (with debatable results) for all these decades. We can't.

**Odysseus** · 05-16-2011, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by wilbur

RP can be called many things... crazy perhaps... old fool maybe...

but its just delusional to call him anything but a strict libertarian... absolutely delusional. He's like Harry Ried? WTF?

Disagree with him and his foreign policy all you want, that's fine... but I'm fairly certain he is no truther - the quote you've marshalled to try and support that claim fails bigtime.

If I had any reservations about Paul being a truther, you've dispelled them. A quick Youtube search shows a video of him explaining that he can't discuss the "truth" about 9/11 because he doesn't need more controversy while he's after the IMF and Fed. It starts at about the 00:50 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88x6J...layer_embedded

I have to tell you, Wilbur, that when I need a barometer for something, I can always count on you to be on the wrong side of the issue.