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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    He has strict liberarian positions on issues of personal freedoms and stuff like prositution and drug use. These are controversial opinions that do not jive well with social conservatives, but he stands by his positions with a convinction that few politicians have.
    Technical correction: he's not a strict libertarian on these issues, but instead a strict constructionist. His position is to follow the Tenth Amendment and leave it to the states (which the feds presently do with prostitution, but not with drugs), and let the states decide for themselves. A truly strict libertarian would say that states should not be allowed to restrict drug use because that's still treading upon the individual's right to do as he pleases. But many people do not really make this fine-line distinction and use "libertarian" interchangeably with "strict constructionist."

    And this is a big failing of his: he fails to communicate this effectively. When he was in South Carolina at the debate and the whole heroin business came up, he missed the golden opportunity to say that South Carolina should decide for herself whether or not to allow heroin, but South Carolina's laws would not affect someone in Illinois, and vice-versa.
    Olde-style, states' rights conservative. Ask if this concept confuses you.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    Here's the funny shit. If he got the Republican nomination...many on this board would pull the lever for him over Obama
    And that's where you'd be tragically wrong...again. What you would see in reality...not in your littlle fantasy is people either looking to 3rd party candidates or just not vote at all.

    But to think that Conservatives on tis board would pull the lever for Obama because Dr. Nuts someone how stumbled his way into the nomination is not only blindingly stupid...but highlights your lack of depth of political nowledge about Conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tecate View Post
    Much of what you posted in the OP is simply your own conjecture that I doubt you can back up with anything of substance or credible sources. It's simply what you believe based on tiny fragments of cherry-picked information cut and pasted from some talking points blog.
    And yet I can link to everything on there with proof to back it up.

    You REALLY want to go down this road with me? Lins on this forum hae made this mistake too.

    I don't post that kind of info unless I can back it up. You've beenher awahile you SHOULD know that.

    But if you want to learn the hard way just say the word...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Wood View Post
    Technical correction: he's not a strict libertarian on these issues, but instead a strict constructionist. His position is to follow the Tenth Amendment and leave it to the states (which the feds presently do with prostitution, but not with drugs), and let the states decide for themselves. A truly strict libertarian would say that states should not be allowed to restrict drug use because that's still treading upon the individual's right to do as he pleases. But many people do not really make this fine-line distinction and use "libertarian" interchangeably with "strict constructionist."

    And this is a big failing of his: he fails to communicate this effectively. When he was in South Carolina at the debate and the whole heroin business came up, he missed the golden opportunity to say that South Carolina should decide for herself whether or not to allow heroin, but South Carolina's laws would not affect someone in Illinois, and vice-versa.
    yeah this seems more correct

    and i agree that would have been a better answer in the debate
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    And yet I can link to everything on there with proof to back it up.

    You REALLY want to go down this road with me? Lins on this forum hae made this mistake too.

    I don't post that kind of info unless I can back it up. You've beenher awahile you SHOULD know that.

    But if you want to learn the hard way just say the word...
    You've got some items that are totally 'guilt by association' and nothing more. If Charles Manson listens to Aerosmith does that make Steven Tyler a murderer? Also you claim to know "what his constituents are thinking" as they hold their noses and pull the lever for him at the polls. I call BS on that. There's no way you could know what each person is thinking.

    I don't really have the time or the energy, nor do I care enough about it. Like I said, he's never going to get the nomination so it really doesn't matter.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Articulate_Ape View Post
    Ody, I hope that you know that I hold you in the highest respect on many levels, not the least of which is your profound knowledge of the subjects that you choose to post about. I also share a great many of your opinions I think; but in this case, and to be intellectually honest, I must submit that you are perhaps looking for a reason to believe that Congressman Paul is an adherent to the daft notions of the Truthers (who admittedly exist within the ranks of his supporters, just as the schmuck in the video that I posted exists in the ranks of self-professed Tea Partiers) to justify that preconceived notion.

    Ron Paul did state his position on this issue quite clearly during the Fox News primary debate in 2008:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx3pYcKsBzU
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    PS> When I said I would shut up before... I lied. :p
    I've viewed the video and I stand corrected, but he really does need to watch himself in public.
    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    Here's the funny shit. If he got the Republican nomination...many on this board would pull the lever for him over Obama

    For someone who's "nuts".....that would be quite interesting to see. :p
    Given a choice between a nutty strict constructionist and a nutty socialist, I freely admit that I'll take the strict constructionist.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tecate View Post
    You've got some items that are totally 'guilt by association' and nothing more. If Charles Manson listens to Aerosmith does that make Steven Tyler a murderer?
    No, but I firmly believe that Barry Manilow writes the songs that makes the whole world kill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tecate View Post
    You've got some items that are totally 'guilt by association' and nothing more. If Charles Manson listens to Aerosmith does that make Steven Tyler a murderer? Also you claim to know "what his constituents are thinking" as they hold their noses and pull the lever for him at the polls. I call BS on that. There's no way you could know what each person is thinking.

    I don't really have the time or the energy, nor do I care enough about it. Like I said, he's never going to get the nomination so it really doesn't matter.

    What exactly is "guilt by association"?
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    61% Liberal voting record Is loved by the ACLU
    A flat-out LIE. Ron Paul has a 2010 American Conservative Union Rating of 96%, and a Lifetime ACU Rating of 84%. Ron Paul has a 100% Rating on the Conservative Index, a 100% rating from the National TaxPayers Union, and is one of the only Congressmen to hold an A+ Rating from the Gun Owners of America.

    Caters to Arab special interest groups
    Yet another LIE; Ron Paul favors ENDING the lopsided US Foreign Aid to Arab Powers which places Israel at a severe disadvantage. “I am not the only one who can see the absurdities of our foreign policy. We give $3 billion to Israel and $12 billion to her enemies. Most Americans know that makes no sense.” – Ron Paul

    Voted against Internet Child Porn Law
    http://www.news.com/They-call-him-Dr..._3-940767.html
    Paul votes against EVERY Federal usurpation of Tenth Amendment State's Rights. Do YOU think Child Porn should be Legal in YOUR State? Well, Ron Paul supports your State Laws against Child Porn. However, the word “porn” appears NOWHERE in the Enumerated Powers the Constitution grants to the FEDERAL Government.

    Thinks 9/11 was an inside job Blames America for 9/11
    Yet another LIE; Ron Paul has NEVER claimed that 9/11 was an “inside job”, and has NEVER blamed America for 9/11. “Obviously the onus of blame rests with those who perpetrate acts of terror, regardless of their motivation” – Ron Paul, “The Revolution: A Manifesto”

    Racist He is supported actively by fringe websites like DemocraticUnderground and the neo-Nazi site Stormfront.
    Yet another LIE; Ron Paul is endorsed by Americans For Israel, the Zionist Freedom Alliance, and even the editorial page of Israel National News.

    By contrast, he is hated by Anti-Semites, who call him a Zionist Shill.
    Ron Paul... The Covert Zionist Shill
    Ron Paul's Radical Zionism Comes Out in the Debate

    I guess it's hardly surprising to see you standing in agreement with the Anti-Semites who hate Ron Paul.



    Supporters are actively encouraging the skirting of FEC campaign laws by soliciting foreign donations. He lies about his political party affiliation to keep getting elected.
    Yet another LIE. Ron Paul was a Reagan Republican long before being a Reagan Republican was cool. He was one of only FOUR Congressmen to endorse Ronald Reagan's bid for the Presidency in 1976, and was the Leader of Ronald Reagan's Electoral Delegation from Texas.

    He's a frequent contributor to antiwar.com and lewrockwell.com. Besides being a barking moonbat...Lew Rockwell is best known for having an affair with the Ditch Witch Cindy Sheehan. He and Alex Jones are good friends and Dr. No is a frequent guest on this truther's radio show.
    Yes. Ron Paul writes some articles in favor of Peace, and the Non-Interventionist foreign policy of America's Founders. Considering that most Christian Conservatives worship the Prince of Peace (as does Ron Paul himself), I regard Ron Paul's distaste for War as the appropriate point of view for Christian Conservatives.

    Actually, Ron Paul supports Income Tax ABOLITION, and it's about time someone did!

    Paul can't be trusted with our National Defense. Besides thinking we brought 9/11 on ourselves and being anti-war...he wants to cut the military budget to pay for social programs....
    He doesn't support the military...he doesn't support the WoT...and he doesn't have a realistic view of the world or what's best for this country.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../05/se.01.html
    Yet another LIE. I'll let Ronald Reagan himself just shut you down, on this one: “Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country.” -- President Ronald Reagan
     

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    yippie!! the influx of moar Paulbots!!!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fettpett View Post
    yippie!! the influx of moar Paulbots!!!
    And they come with facts attached. :eek:
    "The efforts of the government alone will never be enough. In the end the people must choose and the people must help themselves" ~ JFK; from his famous inauguration speech (What Democrats sounded like before today's neo-Liberals hijacked that party)
     

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