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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    It's not about freedom, it's not about democracy, it's about big corporate interests and profit motives.

    If you want to argue that it's about defense, then let's agree to burn them to the ground if they throw the first punch but this pre-emptive invasion strategy is insane, and is nothing more than an excuse.

    If we can declare any country in the world to be "a threat", and invade them and overthrow their governments, even if they don't attack us directly, that is a totally insane precedent. We need to stop doing this shit.
    What is wrong with profit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Do you honestly think with their economy Chavez will last till 2020, or us on our present course for that matter.
    The people of Venezuela love him. Obviously he isn't perfect, and has plenty of problems that need to be relentlessly criticized, but for the incredibly vast poor population of Venezuela, Chavez is the leader they've been waiting for. He is doing an awful lot to help the people who need help the most.

    Anyone who tries to enact large scale changes like he has is going to be a very controversial figure, no doubt, but the poor people of Venezuela see in Chavez something they haven't seen in their lifetimes: someone who represents their interests.

    Chavez is a fierce class warrior, and I understand not everyone agrees with that ideology but for an enormous population of exploited poor people, it's no wonder he is extremely popular. I think he has a great chance of making it to 2020 or longer, as long as the CIA doesn't assassinate him.


    An example: People in America are all freaking out about gas prices being so high, and we're a very wealthy nation. In Venezuela, even the poor people can afford gasoline which costs about 10 cents per gallon. You may not agree with his ideology, but this is one practical example, 10 cent gasoline, that greatly helps the people who live there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    So you justify using nukes to defend against conventional attacks?
    Not really, but I'm making a point that we don't need to pre-emptively invade countries for self-defense. We are FAR more powerful than any of these nations we invade, our firepower alone is enough to ensure that America will never be defeated in a Real War waged against us by one of these poor foreign nations.

    Of course I don't support using nukes against conventional attacks, I'm just saying we're so frickin strapped we don't need to act so insecure and invade every country that "threatens us".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    And the machine begins rolling to prepare for the invasion of Venezuela before 2020. They will take out the democratically elected Chavez and install a right-wing banana republic dictator for the sake of Freedom.
    you fucktard - democratically elected? the last election down there was more irregular than a constipated Michael Moore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    It's not about freedom, it's not about democracy, it's about big corporate interests and profit motives.

    If you want to argue that it's about defense, then let's agree to burn them to the ground if they throw the first punch but this pre-emptive invasion strategy is insane, and is nothing more than an excuse.

    If we can declare any country in the world to be "a threat", and invade them and overthrow their governments, even if they don't attack us directly, that is a totally insane precedent. We need to stop doing this shit.
    I love how you trump FREEDOM with mob rule. Holy hell are your values fucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    The people of Venezuela love him.
    Are you so naive as to believe he would actually allow people to openly criticize him?
    The difference between pigs and people is that when they tell you you're cured it isn't a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    What is wrong with profit?
    There are times when the profit motives of a company run contrary to the interests of the people of that country.

    When profits of a small group of big business owners are prioritised above the very real needs of the majority of the population, that's a problem. It's even more of a problem when these companies are foreign based companies that only exploit the massive population. It's worse of all when America decides to intervene on the interests of business at the expense of the people.



    This is the issue with a Banana Republic


    When a country of poor exploited people decide to use their democratic power to elect a man who promises reform, which benefits the working poor people but hurts the profits of major foreign companies, and a foreign military power invades that country, overthrows that democratically-elected government, and installs a pro-business dictator, do you think that is okay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Are you so naive as to believe he would actually allow people to openly criticize him?
    I'm not so naive to believe that he or his government are perfect, far from it, but compared to the people who have ruled that country before, Chavez is still a welcome relief for the majority of poor people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    The people of Venezuela love him.
    Says who? The state run TV that does not allow any criticism of him on the air?

    Obviously he isn't perfect, and has plenty of problems that need to be relentlessly criticized, but for the incredibly vast poor population of Venezuela, Chavez is the leader they've been waiting for. He is doing an awful lot to help the people who need help the most.
    Which is of course why he has to out law and jail his opposition.
    Anyone who tries to enact large scale changes like he has is going to be a very controversial figure, no doubt, but the poor people of Venezuela see in Chavez something they haven't seen in their lifetimes: someone who represents their interests.
    Right because the food shortages and unemployment they have now was so very much "in their interest." Fucking dumb ass progressives with their holier than thou we know better than you how you should live your lives bullshit.
    Chavez is a fierce class warrior, and I understand not everyone agrees with that ideology but for an enormous population of exploited poor people, it's no wonder he is extremely popular. I think he has a great chance of making it to 2020 or longer, as long as the CIA doesn't assassinate him.
    He is very popular isn't he . . . with the retarded commies on US college campi and amongest the fucktard hollywood elites.

    An example: People in America are all freaking out about gas prices being so high, and we're a very wealthy nation. In Venezuela, even the poor people can afford gasoline which costs about 10 cents per gallon. You may not agree with his ideology, but this is one practical example, 10 cent gasoline, that greatly helps the people who live there.
    except that that artificial price has helped create other shortages in Venezuela.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    I love how you trump FREEDOM with mob rule. Holy hell are your values fucked.
    you get your definition of "Freedom" from the CATO institute and the Heritage Foundation. I know your game buddy.

    when there is a popular democratic uprising against a brutal oppressive government, that is more of an expression of Freedom than any set of laws.

    Poli I'll ask this to you directly:
    When a country of poor exploited people decide to use their democratic power to elect a man who promises reform, which benefits the working poor people but hurts the profits of major foreign companies, and a foreign military power invades that country, overthrows that democratically-elected government, and installs a pro-business dictator, do you think that is okay?
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