Respect Pak Sovereignty, China tells US

[KhrushchevsShoe]

they are a wanna be "Great power" they can just barely project their power into NK and now Pakistan...

They have been in Kashmir for a while now.

[Odysseus]

they sure as hell aren't a super power, they can't deploy anywhere in the world, like the US and even Russian can now. They do have a growing influence, but they are still a regional power

China's military is not the equal of the U.S. military right now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13450316

You are both correct, for the moment. And, if you had said that Japan is not a threat to the US in 1918, you'd have been correct, then, but if you'd said it in 1941, you'd have been very wrong. China is developing naval facilities in the Indian Ocean with the help of Pakistan. Those facilities, combined with oil pipelines, which are also in the works, will put China into contention as a player in the Middle East. Today, they don't have a true "blue water" navy, but a decade from now, they will. They also don't need to match us ship for ship, since our naval assets are spread throughout the world. They just need to be able to engage us in those AOs that matter to them, such as the western Pacific and Indian Ocean.

[fettpett]

You are both correct, for the moment. And, if you had said that Japan is not a threat to the US in 1918, you'd have been correct, then, but if you'd said it in 1941, you'd have been very wrong. China is developing naval facilities in the Indian Ocean with the help of Pakistan. Those facilities, combined with oil pipelines, which are also in the works, will put China into contention as a player in the Middle East. Today, they don't have a true "blue water" navy, but a decade from now, they will. They also don't need to match us ship for ship, since our naval assets are spread throughout the world. They just need to be able to engage us in those AOs that matter to them, such as the western Pacific and Indian Ocean.

I'm not saying that they aren't a threat, now or in the future, they are. I was just refuting Poli's comment that they are a Superpower now, which they are not. They aren't even a great power as they can barely project their power outside their own sphere of influence. 10-20 years from now, it'll be a different story.

[PoliCon]

I'm not saying that they aren't a threat, now or in the future, they are. I was just refuting Poli's comment that they are a Superpower now, which they are not. They aren't even a great power as they can barely project their power outside their own sphere of influence. 10-20 years from now, it'll be a different story.

Being a superpower is as much about perception as reality.

[fettpett]

Being a superpower is as much about perception as reality.

while true, they are still looked down upon by the rest of the world. 90% of their country is still backwater agricultural areas. the parts that aren't are only modern in the sense that they are built huge and of concrete and steel. their infrastructure is shoddy at best and population is barely educated.

are they rich? yes.
are they a regional power? yes
do they have growing influence? yes
could they out pace us if we sit back and have shitbrain Presidents and Congress critters? in a damn heart beat

are they a Great Power or Super Power? not even close, yet

[PoliCon]

while true, they are still looked down upon by the rest of the world. 90% of their country is still backwater agricultural areas. the parts that aren't are only modern in the sense that they are built huge and of concrete and steel. their infrastructure is shoddy at best and population is barely educated.

are they rich? yes.
are they a regional power? yes
do they have growing influence? yes
could they out pace us if we sit back and have shitbrain Presidents and Congress critters? in a damn heart beat

are they a Great Power or Super Power? not even close, yet

Are they giving billions in foreign and military aid in Africa, South America and the rest of the third world?
Are they standing up to the US?
Does most of the third world already think we're weak due to the idiotic way politicians have handed international various crisis?

[fettpett]

Are they giving billions in foreign and military aid in Africa, South America and the rest of the third world?
Are they standing up to the US?
Does most of the third world already think we're weak due to the idiotic way politicians have handed international various crisis?

sure, but that is just like being involved with crime syndicates, you use the resources you do have, which the Chinese have a ton of money

I didn't say they weren't dangerous, even now, just not a big of a power player as some think. playing around int he dirt with the kindergarders will only get you so far. Once they decide to come play on the jungle gym with the big kids it's a different story.

China is just like the Soviet Union was, a 3rd world Country with a more advanced military.