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  1. #1 America's Long Slide from 9/11 to Crown Beach 
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    On Sept. 11, 2001, when two planes plunged into the World Trade Center, Americans watched in awe as New York firefighters, police and paramedics rushed to the scene at risk to their own lives. Some 343 firefighters and paramedics and 60 police officers paid the ultimate price in their desperate rush to save other lives.

    On Memorial Day at Robert W. Crown Memorial State Beach in California, police officers and firefighters stood by as Raymond Zack, 53, stood in the water, apparently intent on suicide, until he drowned. They would not go into the water after him, they explained, because a 2009 department policy prohibited water rescues in this island community. An unidentified woman finally swam out and brought his body to shore.

    If the incident brings to mind any news story, it is the 1964 stabbing death of Kitty Genovese -- made infamous because her New York neighbors heard her screams for 35 minutes as they failed to intervene and save her life. This time, I am sorry to report, some of the unresponsive bystanders were firefighters and cops.

    How does America go from 9/11 to Crown Beach?

    "This was definitely not Alameda's finest hour," observed Oakland City Attorney John Russo, who will become Alameda's city manager on June 13.

    Those trying to make sense of the debacle attribute the incident to budget cuts, a bad policy and the fact that saving Zack's life was a risky proposition. Zack weighed 300 pounds. He was suicidal and therefore unstable. If he had been armed and wanted to take someone with him, then it would have been difficult for any would-be rescuers to get away safely.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/debra...to_crown_beach
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    Ok...that was a retarded story. :eek:
    May the FORCE be with you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaRepub View Post
    Ok...that was a retarded story. :eek:
    How so ?
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    I'm not sure what the 9/11 connection is. NYFD has very different rules governing rescues than some Podunk beach in California. That having been said, it is really sad when petty rules prohibit rescue workers from doing their jobs.
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    Chalk this one up to the lawyers.
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    Intertesting information...Could it be an Alameda Firefighters’ Association.. Job Action...?
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    Alameda Firefighters’ Association President Expresses Disapproval with The City Council
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    Letter to the Editor of the Alameda Sun: Beach safety focus
    Editor:
    I am an Alameda resident, father of three children, and a Alameda firefighter.

    I feel that it is my responsibility to respond to the article, "Be Safe in Water," printed in the Alameda Sun by the Fire Department administration, July 16. The message regarding "Beach Safety Tips" in reference to "lifeguards" can be confusing, and somewhat misleading, so I feel it incumbent on me to clarify certain facts regarding water rescue and safety.
    The article advises the reader to "swim near a lifeguard" and to "ask a lifeguard about the conditions before entering unfamiliar water." The public needs to be aware that there are no lifeguards on duty anywhere on Crown Beach's 2.5 mile stretch or elsewhere along the surrounding natural water areas of Alameda.

    In 1999, the City Council approved the implementation of a Surface Water Rescue Swimmer program to provide Alameda firefighters with the necessary skills and resources to provide water rescue response to all waterfront areas of Alameda's jurisdiction.
    This program was instituted due to the absence of lifeguards, the significant delays of water rescue response from the Coast Guard and Sheriff's Dive Teams, and the lack of certified water rescue training for Alameda firefighters.

    After the death of two adolescents below the Bay Farm Island Bridge a few years earlier, the Fire Department urged the City to support a safer, more efficient water rescue response capability, which the Fire Department has since offered, until now.....Last year, the City Council approved a budget presented by former City Manager Debra Kurita and current Fire Chief Dave Kapler that has dismantled the Fire Department Surface Water Rescue capability.
    Due to the budget reductions, the necessary recertification of our water rescue swimmers for OSHA compliance was not funded.

    As of March 16, 2009, the Fire Department administration issued an operational status change, placing the surface water rescue swimmer program on hold. According to the status change, "all previously qualified Rescue Swimmers shall not enter the water for an active incident until further notice."

    What does all of this mean to a swimmer in distress? It means that firefighters may not swim to or use the rescue boat and rescue boards to approach a distressed swimmer in the water.

    Firefighters are permitted to toss a 75-foot water rescue rope to the victim, provided the victim is within 75 feet of the shore, to effect a rescue. The Fire Department Incident Commander will request that the County Dispatcher contact Coast Guard for assistance.

    So, in the absence of lifeguards, what do I recommend for a "safe and smart" time at the beach?

    Don't enter the water with more than one non-proficient swimmer at a time. Having three children of my own, it's very easy to lose track of one while supervising the others. Keep your eyes on and stay close to the non-proficient swimmer at all times. Even in shallow water, maintain a 1:1 ratio. The waves, swells and tides can be challenging for young ones and it only takes a split-second for tragedy to occur.

    - Steve Floyd

    http://www.alamedafirefighters.com/general_info.html
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    sorry, I would have said fuck the rules, this guy's life (anyone's really) was more important
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    Quote Originally Posted by fettpett View Post
    sorry, I would have said fuck the rules, this guy's life (anyone's really) was more important
    Thats you...This is Political Union business ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    Thats you...This is Political Union business ..
    yeah, and I'd tell the union to go fuck themselves too. Though it looks like the city cut costs and instead of cutting their own spending cut in areas that protect the public. The people of the area should run those morons out of town
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    Quote Originally Posted by fettpett View Post
    yeah, and I'd tell the union to go fuck themselves too. Though it looks like the city cut costs and instead of cutting their own spending cut in areas that protect the public. The people of the area should run those morons out of town
    The unions claim that it was too dangerous to rescue him.The union claimed that The guy was suicidal and could have been armed .They also said that he was too heavy to rescue at three hundred pounds.So after he drowned some little civilian woman swam out and pulled his body ashore..
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