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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Is there a compelling argument for his resignation?
    No more than there was for Mark Foley.
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    In actual dollars, President Obama’s $4.4 trillion in deficit spending in just three years is 37 percent higher than the previous record of $3.2 trillion (held by President George W. Bush) in deficit spending for an entire presidency. It’s no small feat to demolish an 8-year record in just 3 years.

    Under Obama’s own projections, interest payments on the debt are on course to triple from 2010 (his first budgetary year) to 2018, climbing from $196 billion to $685 billion annually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsSmith View Post
    No more than there was for Mark Foley.
    Or Chris Lee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    I'll throw the possibly out. The others are not enough, in my opinion.

    His election (assuming he has a district next year) will determine if the others matter. For me, this is just all cringe worthy gossip. So far, there doesn't appear to be anything of substance to this whole thing.

    Craig put up a bit of a fight and remember, ther was an arrest involved. Also, others from Vitter to Clinton, have not resigned with much, much worse involved.

    Chris Lee is the only thing close to this and to me, it is the same; mid-life crisis embarrassment but nothing awful.
    He was sending potential blackmail material to casual online acquaintances. That would result in a revocation of security clearances for anyone not actually in the congress. He also spun up the NSA and other security agencies by falsely claiming that his account had been hacked. Hacking of any online accounts belonging to a member of congress has serious national security implications, especially if his passwords for other accounts had been compromised. In doing this, he showed terrible judgement and a complete lack of concern for the consequences of his conduct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    He was sending potential blackmail material to casual online acquaintances. That would result in a revocation of security clearances for anyone not actually in the congress. He also spun up the NSA and other security agencies by falsely claiming that his account had been hacked. Hacking of any online accounts belonging to a member of congress has serious national security implications, especially if his passwords for other accounts had been compromised. In doing this, he showed terrible judgement and a complete lack of concern for the consequences of his conduct.
    Hmmmm.....


    Never thought about that.


    Good point! Wonder how many other "games" are played, we have no idea about...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    He was sending potential blackmail material to casual online acquaintances. That would result in a revocation of security clearances for anyone not actually in the congress. He also spun up the NSA and other security agencies by falsely claiming that his account had been hacked. Hacking of any online accounts belonging to a member of congress has serious national security implications, especially if his passwords for other accounts had been compromised. In doing this, he showed terrible judgement and a complete lack of concern for the consequences of his conduct.
    Vitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Vitter.
    And? We were saying he needed to stay?

    The Party might have been, but they were trying to play musical chairs, not wanting to give anymore up to the Dems.
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    In hockey, it means you have to sit in the penalty box for five minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Vitter.
    Although the blackmail issue is valid, Vitter didn't claim to have been compromised by hackers, so he didn't create the same kind of stir at the various security agencies that Weiner did. But, Vitter certainly could have been blackmailed by anyone with knowledge of his activities, and he actually did commit multiple counts of soliciting prostitutes. So, I agree, he should have stepped down. But then, so should Barney Frank, Gerry Studds, Teddy Kennedy, Charlie Rangel... Shall I continue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Although the blackmail issue is valid, Vitter didn't claim to have been compromised by hackers, so he didn't create the same kind of stir at the various security agencies that Weiner did. But, Vitter certainly could have been blackmailed by anyone with knowledge of his activities, and he actually did commit multiple counts of soliciting prostitutes. So, I agree, he should have stepped down. But then, so should Barney Frank, Gerry Studds, Teddy Kennedy, Charlie Rangel... Shall I continue?
    The blackmail thing you talk about is actually the answer to the question the Libs keep tossing about about "Why should this matter"?

    OPSEC and espionage is why something like what Rep. Wiener did is wrong or any Congresscritter caught in the same situation is wrong..

    One of the techniques that intelligence agencies use to turn people and work for them is sex.

    Imagine the coup for some intelligence agency to be running as one of their informants...a sitting U.S. Congressman.
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