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    Split hairs all you want buddy, just because groups attend the same events doesn't mean they share the same ideology. This is true even if they have common interests whether they are closing the border or better workers' rights.

    Also these socialist groups are not "extremists", if you go to their sites you will see they have reasonable goals and wishes like equality, justice and they are totally opposed to racism or anti-semitism. A3p is an openly racist anti-Semitic group. You may disagree with some of the socialists' perspectives or solutions, but they are not hate groups

    Calling someone a communist isn't an insult but it is a false equivalence. Anti-capitalists have no qualms about their views, so reserve that label for people who actually hold that view. Painting with a broad brush is for the intellectually lazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Split hairs all you want buddy, just because groups attend the same events doesn't mean they share the same ideology. This is true even if they have common interests whether they are closing the border or better workers' rights.
    Bull. You are equating an event run by people that didn't even know that this fringe group was there or what they stood for, with a large group that co-sponsored an event, and knew exactly who it was associating with. It's a cheap tactic, and it won't work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Also these socialist groups are not "extremists", if you go to their sites you will see they have reasonable goals and wishes like equality, justice and they are totally opposed to racism or anti-semitism. A3p is an openly racist anti-Semitic group. You may disagree with some of the socialists' perspectives or solutions, but they are not hate groups
    Sure, they are... They want equality, except that the equality that they want is the equal proliferation of poverty for everyone but themselves. They want justice, if you define justice as the elimination of anyone who dissents from the party line. They oppose racism, except when they support racist groups like Hamas, Hezb'ollah and al Qaeda, or racist regimes, like Cuba, or put up posters of Che Guevara, who, in addition to having been a mass-murderer, was also a virulent racist. Some choice quotes from the Motocycle Diaries:

    "The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese."

    "The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations."

    "The episode upset us a little because the poor man, apart from being homosexual and a first-rate bore, had been very nice to us, giving us 10 soles each, bringing our total to 479 for me and 163 1/2 to Alberto."

    "The first person we hit on was the mayor, someone called Cohen; we had heard a lot about him, that he was Jewish as far as money was concerned but a good sort."
    And that's nothing compared to Marx's racism and anti-semitism:

    "Take Amsterdam, for instance, a city harboring many of the worst descendants of the Jews whom Ferdinand and Isabella drove out of Spain and who, after lingering a while in Portugal, were driven out of there too and eventually found a place of retreat in Holland ..., Here and there and everywhere that a little capital courts investment, there is ever one of these little Jews ready to make a little suggestion or place a little bit of loan. The smartest highwayman in the Abruzzi is not better posted about the locale of the hard cash in a traveller's valise or pocket than these little Jews about any loose capital in the hands of a trader...

    "Thus we find every tyrant backed by a Jew, as is every Pope by a Jesuit. In truth, the cravings of oppressors would be hopeless, and the practicability of war out of the question, if there were not an army of Jesuits to smother thought and a handful of Jews to ransack pockets ... The fact that 1,855 years ago Christ drove the Jewish money-changers out of the temple, and that the money changers of our age, enlisted on the side of tyranny, again happen to be Jews is perhaps no more than a historic coincidence."

    "... it is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother had not interbred with a n*****. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product. The obtrusiveness of the fellow is also n*****-like."
    July 1862 letter to Engels, in reference to his socialist political competitor, Ferdinand Lassalle.
    Engels was also a bigot. In1887, he described Marx's son-in-law, Paul Lafargue, as having "one-eighth or one-twelfth n***** blood." In an April 1887 letter to Lafargue's wife, Engels wrote, "Being in his quality as a n*****, a degree nearer to the rest of the animal kingdom than the rest of us, he is undoubtedly the most appropriate representative of that district." The district that he was a candidate for had a zoo, you see.

    Today, of course, leftist racism and antisemitism is seen in their hatred of Israel and embrace Islamist radicalism, which is virulently racist.

    If they weren't extremists, then they wouldn't hide their agenda behind lies and euphemisms.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Calling someone a communist isn't an insult but it is a false equivalence. Anti-capitalists have no qualms about their views, so reserve that label for people who actually hold that view. Painting with a broad brush is for the intellectually lazy.
    When you call someone a communist, you are calling them a shill for mass murder, and apologist for famine and an advocate of universal slavery. It is an insult, which is why communists refuse to allow themselves to be known by the term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    When you call someone a communist, you are calling them a shill for mass murder, and apologist for famine and an advocate of universal slavery. It is an insult, which is why communists refuse to allow themselves to be known by the term.
    You gotta love it, Wieble is merely an anti-capitalist now.
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    You can only keep wishing. I bet Beck whacks off to that kinda fantasy at night too.
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