06-16-2011, 01:44 PM
- Join Date
- Mar 2010
I think an objective look at this would show that they are excluding an activity rather than a group of people.While you were hanging yourself , on someone else's words
Dying to believe in what you heard
I was staring straight into the shining sun
06-16-2011, 01:49 PM
I am with you on the principles, though. They sound almost leftist. But that could be because they are a Christian oriented organization. I really don't know that much about them.
06-16-2011, 05:26 PM
That faith in God gives meaning and purpose to human life; Conservative take on religion.
That the brotherhood of man transcends the sovereignty of nations; Neutral. Could be leftist, but also a Christian doctrine.
That economic justice can best be won by free men through free enterprise; Conservative/Libertarian. Free enterprise tends to send lefties screaming for their copies of the Federal Register. Leftists would cite economic justice, but equate it with some sort of planned economy or wealth sharing program.
That government should be of laws rather than of men; Neutral, but more conservative than liberal, especially when viewed in terms of Constitutional law.
That Earth's great treasure lies in human personality; Neutral, but definitely in opposition to enviro-leftism, which sees humanity as a plague on mother Earth.
And that service to humanity is the best work of life. Neutral to mildly leftist, but most conservatives would agree with that statement, as well.
BTW, the Elks have a similar credo:
To inculcate the principles of Charity, Justice, Brotherly Love and Fidelity; to recognize a belief in God; to promote the welfare and enhance the happiness of its Members; to quicken the spirit of American patriotism; to cultivate good fellowship; to perpetuate itself as a fraternal organization, and to provide for its government, the Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks of the United States of America will serve the people and communities through benevolent programs, demonstrating that Elks Care and Elks Share.
For really gonzo dogma, you have to join the Raccoon Lodge.
- Join Date
- May 2008
06-16-2011, 06:13 PM
The line about only commies caring about clean air and water was old when Teddy Roosevelt set up the National Parks. The difference is that commies want to run the economy, and are willing to use the pretext of environmental concerns to do it, even though communism has the worst record on pollution of any economic system.
But, you keep that meme up. Just because it's false, hackneyed and infantile has never stopped a leftist before.
06-16-2011, 06:51 PM
First, communist states really do have horrific records on environmental issues. Look at what the Soviets did to the Aral Sea, or what the Chinese breath for that matter. But, they are also perfectly happy to use environmentalism to take power over economic activities, as the Global Warming hoax has amply demonstrated.
Second, as I have stated before, conservatives also breath air and drink water, despite your belief to the contrary (I know, you believe that we ingest industrial sludge that's been spiced with the bile of puppies and wash it down with copious amounts of orphans' tears, but that's NPR for you). We also have an interest in clean air and water, we just don't think that the government has our best interests at heart when they run amok and grab power that isn't theirs. Prime example is the federal jurisdiction over "wetlands". The Constitution gives congress authority over the "Navigable waters" of the United States. That was always understood to mean rivers and lakes large enough to be navigated by boats, especially those that crossed state borders. But, after the failure of the Migratory Bird Act, which sought to restrict hunting of waterfowl, the Army Corps of Engineers was given authority over lands in which navigable waters drained, i.e., "wetlands" (or, as they used to be called, swamps). But even that wasn't enough power for the feds. They then redefined wetlands to include any water-covered area that might provide a habitat for waterfowl, which meant that any body of water that could be viewed from the air qualified. This became known as the "glancing geese" standard, believe it or not. People who filled in puddles in their yards were cited by the ACE and EPA for destroying "wetlands". That is what is called "tyranny". And it isn't Mark Levin saying it, it's me.
Third, if you really feel that there is a risk of urine in your drinking water, stop pissing into the wind whenever you respond to a post and try to avoid the "talk radio" meme. It's a sloppy, lazy response to arguments that you don't like addressing directly, and you're not fooling anyone but yourself.
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