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    America needs a Thatcher.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by everyman68 View Post
    If you don't want Obama to win you should vote for McCain. This election is too close to fool around. I would say the same thing to an Obama supporter.
    Since my state is almost assured to go to McCain, I can vote third party wth little chance of helping to elect a marxist commie like Obama. he electoral votes for IN haven't gone to a Democrat since JFK in 1960 and even then, it was such a razor thin margin that Nixon could have contested it with little doubt wrt justification. There were also plenty of stories that the Chicago Dems found a way to make the deceased vote Dem in Indiana too--especially close to the Chicago area.
     

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    Always vote on principle. While its not realistic to believe that a third party candidate will be elected to office, it does show the GOP that it can't take right-wing voters for granted. As long as they get away with that, they'll have everything to gain from appealing to more liberal voters in the future. Show them that there's votes to gain by moving back towards the right. In a sense it'll be a victory for right-wing voters if McCain doesn't win this election -- if he does, he may set the standard for future liberal GOP candidates. If he doesn't, you may be able to vote for a true GOP republican in 2012. You'll never accomplish anything if all you do is hold your nose and vote for a lesser evil in every election. The long-term effects must take precedence over the short-term ones.
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    As painful as it might be it could be time for the Republican party to take an ass whipping. Maybe, just maybe they will wake up and stop selling out at every turn. Sometimes short term pain is necessary for long term gain. Vote all the rotten SOB's out and start from scratch with real conservatives.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanMartins View Post
    Always vote on principle. While its not realistic to believe that a third party candidate will be elected to office, it does show the GOP that it can't take right-wing voters for granted. As long as they get away with that, they'll have everything to gain from appealing to more liberal voters in the future. Show them that there's votes to gain by moving back towards the right. In a sense it'll be a victory for right-wing voters if McCain doesn't win this election -- if he does, he may set the standard for future liberal GOP candidates. If he doesn't, you may be able to vote for a true GOP republican in 2012. You'll never accomplish anything if all you do is hold your nose and vote for a lesser evil in every election. The long-term effects must take precedence over the short-term ones.

    In the mean time, we will slip irretrievably into a COMPLETE socialist society.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutionally Speaking View Post
    In the mean time, we will slip irretrievably into a COMPLETE socialist society.
    I can see both sides of it but I always vote for who I think would be the best representative for the country. If you keep voting the same party in regardless of their behavior in office you get exactly what we have seen the last 8 years from republicans. Pretty soon the only difference will be the name of the party. As it is they are pretty much different sides of the same coin.

    We might just need to reboot the entire system with a revolution. Unfortunately I don't think we have it in us anymore. :(
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLibertarian View Post
    Since my state is almost assured to go to McCain, I can vote third party wth little chance of helping to elect a marxist commie like Obama.
    Just remember that there is a large Black population in your state. They will vote for Obama by a rate of 90%+. They will turn out in record numbers to vote and you may be surprised at how close it will be some of the so called "safe" southern states.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post
    Again, I disagree that Mccain will buy us anything of substance. All it will do is solidify the big government NeoCons. We didn't get an improvement after Bush. All we got is another NeoCon successor.

    I understand you trying to rationalize this election out as the lesser of two evils. I am sure that sounds reasonable to you. It would have to me had I not come to the realization that we need major change to restore the Republic and the Constitution, not just the same old crap at a little less rate.

    You are right it is a lesser of two evils thing with me, but I see the consequences of the bigger evil as being FAR too great.

    I don't think we will recover.

    McCain will give us time IF WE DO OUR PART, to strengthen the conservatives - starting with the state level reps - to get real conservatives in. That means we turn out in the primaries and support the conservative candidates in every way.

    Far too often we settle for the incumbant RINOs instead of getting rid of them when we can without the major consequence of losing our US representatives.


    The Liberals did not take over the country all at once. The KNEW that people would need to gradually be indoctinated and then hooked on the government programs. If they moved too fast, they would not get re-elected and their movement would die.

    We need the same approach - WITH DISCIPLINE. We need to weed out the libs in our own party and gradually get people weened off the govt. tit. Moving too fast will shock the system of those dependent and they will go for the easy way out. The Dems will agitate and demonize us to an audience that will be very receptive to their message of hate. If however, we get people used to fending for themselves they will see how vastly better their lives are and will not be as susceptible to the democratic lies. But again, we must be disciplined and vigilant. Far too often in the past, we elect a decent group and then simply assume things will work out. That is not how it works. They get Washingtonized and fall in love with the power. It is our job to keep that from happening and replace those who do fall - in the PRIMARIES when the consequences of a loss are not so great. It is a decades long process of ever vigilant pressure on our own party to move toward the Constitution and away from socialism.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutionally Speaking View Post
    You are right it is a lesser of two evils thing with me, but I see the consequences of the bigger evil as being FAR too great.

    I don't think we will recover.

    McCain will give us time IF WE DO OUR PART, to strengthen the conservatives - starting with the state level reps - to get real conservatives in. That means we turn out in the primaries and support the conservative candidates in every way.

    Far too often we settle for the incumbant RINOs instead of getting rid of them when we can without the major consequence of losing our US representatives.


    The Liberals did not take over the country all at once. The KNEW that people would need to gradually be indoctinated and then hooked on the government programs. If they moved too fast, they would not get re-elected and their movement would die.

    We need the same approach - WITH DISCIPLINE. We need to weed out the libs in our own party and gradually get people weened off the govt. tit. Moving too fast will shock the system of those dependent and they will go for the easy way out. The Dems will agitate and demonize us to an audience that will be very receptive to their message of hate. If however, we get people used to fending for themselves they will see how vastly better their lives are and will not be as susceptible to the democratic lies. But again, we must be disciplined and vigilant. Far too often in the past, we elect a decent group and then simply assume things will work out. That is not how it works. They get Washingtonized and fall in love with the power. It is our job to keep that from happening and replace those who do fall - in the PRIMARIES when the consequences of a loss are not so great. It is a decades long process of ever vigilant pressure on our own party to move toward the Constitution and away from socialism.
    I feel you are close to accepting the truth. I'll keep working on you. It took me awhile to understand what was really going on. I was in NeoCon denial for a long time.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post
    I feel you are close to accepting the truth. I'll keep working on you. It took me awhile to understand what was really going on. I was in NeoCon denial for a long time.

    I think we are in complete agreement EXCEPT on the amount of damage that Obama will do. I don't think we can recover from 4 years of him.
     

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