#1 DUer Thinks Cop Should Just Talk To Knife Armed Felon.
07-07-2011, 03:03 PM
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Background: The thread is about an incident in CA on BART. The police were called and a beligerent drunk pulled a knife on a cop. Cop shot and killed the guy. The thread starter thinks the cop should have shot the guy in a leg. Numberous posters explain why you don't do that but the poster hangs stubborn. Then comes this jewel of absurdity. http://www.democraticunderground.com...esg_id=1419067
Pooka Fey (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-05-11 02:05 PM
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54. I call bullshit on everyone who defends this shooting.
What the police SHOULD do with a drunk, upset, knife-wielding man; and what THEY WOULD do if the USA was a civilized country and not a fascist authoritarian kleptocracy where a person is only valued as an economic unit:
1. You calm everybody the fuck down.
2. You get the passengers and anyone who could get hurt out of the station & far away - you're gonna miss your train? Tough shit. Take a bus, take a cab, walk, use your cellphone for something actually important and call somebody to say there is a situation and say you'll be late.
3. The police have somebody on the force trained in negotiation and in calming down crazy people that they call in. He shows up.
4. The City of San Francisco actually has a mental health services unit and social workers, paid for by the GUVMENT. This person gets called in to come and calm down the crazy guy.
5. We now have 2 professionals who are trained to calm down crazy guy. And because they have actual intellectual skills rather than just a firearm, they convince the crazy guy to put down the knife and the bottle. This doesn't take too long, because the crazy dude knows that he isn't about to be shot, and the two professionals actually know what they are doing. And we don't care how long it takes, because in this society, we don't murder people for having mental problems and then claim 'self-defense'.
6. Nobody in the station over-reacts or bitches too much about losing access to the train for 30 to 60 minutes because human life and human dignity are actually valued in this society.
DREAM SEQUENCE OVER
This is the opposite of what is valued in the USA because here, the only value in human life is in the money that passes through a person on the way to the corporate pocketbooks. Drunk crazy guy has no money and isn't paying in, obviously, so it's OK to eliminate him. Good riddance, in fact.
And you on this thread who defend this, shame on you.
07-07-2011, 03:34 PM
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Holy Crap! :eek:
Congrats there Pooka. That has to be one of if not THE stupidest posts I've seen over there in years.
:)May the FORCE be with you!
07-07-2011, 04:21 PM
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Police are taught to aim at the largest mass there is,otherwise they would miss.
07-07-2011, 04:58 PM
The cop has to decide how to prevent a crazy man with a knife from hurting anyone on a train. If he's a good shot, he should aim at the knife-wielding maniac.
It's not like cops enjoy shooting people in those situations. If some other less deadly solution was possible, the cop would likely have tried that first. The presence of unarmed, potential victims in the train makes shooting the guy the best possible solution.
07-07-2011, 04:59 PM
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A man with a knife can cross a room in the time it takes to draw and fire a weapon.
07-07-2011, 05:00 PM
I swear you can't make this shit up....
WatsonT (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-05-11 03:10 PM
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61. So how long does it take to "calm everybody the fuck down" including the
belligerent knife-wielding drunk?
Compare that to the time it takes for a belligerent knife-wielding drunk to kill someone.
I swear some of you people live in a fantasy world.
/maybe the police could be issued unicorns with the ability to emit tranquility rainbows out of their arses. The only reason they don't is that Americans value money over unicorns!Pooka Fey (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-05-11 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. I don't live in a fantasy world, I live in Europe.Solve a man's problem with violence and help him for a day. Teach a man how to solve his problems with violence, help him for a lifetime - Belkar Bitterleaf
07-07-2011, 05:17 PM
Sometimes cops can't win for losing. Had this officer used a tazer instead of a Glock, this idiot would be jumping up and down still. Some people have no clue. Talk the guy down. Please.The Obama Administration: Deny. Deflect. Blame.
07-07-2011, 08:57 PM
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Notice how the people who claim that the police should have shot a leg or knee, or whatever, never wonder why a dead cop didn't shoot the perp?
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