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    Quote Originally Posted by TruckerMe View Post
    So that we are all on the same page, here is what the 1st amendment says:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    This amendment applies to Fed, States, and cities.

    My position is that Islam is actually a subversive government with its own set of laws which are inseparable from its religion. Because of that inseparability we, as localities, should be able to ban mosques because they are actually a front for a subversive organization.
    Muslims may worship, and may gather to do so, but may not be able to build a mosque where it is not wanted.

    Islam has no room for other religions and seeks to establish itself as the only religion in any country where it takes root.

    That in itself is a violation of what the 1st Amendment is truly designed to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    The Constitution was for a law abiding people. It is not a suicide pact.
    Maybe, maybe not. But the Declaration of Independence sure was.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Maybe, maybe not. But the Declaration of Independence sure was.
    *cough* bullshit
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    *cough* bullshit
    "We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Maybe, maybe not. But the Declaration of Independence sure was.
    Ah, for the good ol' days. But no maybe about it. Declaration of Independence carried with it a death sentence.
    The Constitution was never intended to sentence future generations to death. That sort of thinking is what is wrong with Islam today; archaic thinking applied foolishly to much changed world. Muslims are hoping that we will give no more thought to the situation today than we gave it on 9/10/01.
    They will attempt to take the loophole in our Constitution, make a noose around our necks with it, and pull. The good news is that when they pull there will be only liberal necks in the loop. Witness who is supporting the Mosque in new York.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    "We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
    Are you really that obtuse? Or do you just enjoy acting like it on the internet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruckerMe View Post
    Ah, for the good ol' days. But no maybe about it. Declaration of Independence carried with it a death sentence.
    The Constitution was never intended to sentence future generations to death. That sort of thinking is what is wrong with Islam today; archaic thinking applied foolishly to much changed world. Muslims are hoping that we will give no more thought to the situation today than we gave it on 9/10/01.
    They will attempt to take the loophole in our Constitution, make a noose around our necks with it, and pull. The good news is that when they pull there will be only liberal necks in the loop. Witness who is supporting the Mosque in new York.
    I am not sure I would characterize the 1st Amendment in our governing document as a "loophole."


    Tennessee's constitution seems to be pretty clear on the issue:

    3. Freedom of worship

    That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own conscience; that no man can of right be compelled to attend, erect, or support any place of worship, or to maintain any minister against his consent; that no human authority can, in any case whatever, control or interfere with the rights of conscience; and that no preference shall ever be given, by law, to any religious establishment or mode of worship.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    I am not sure I would characterize the 1st Amendment in our governing document as a "loophole."


    Tennessee's constitution seems to be pretty clear on the issue:

    3. Freedom of worship

    That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own conscience; that no man can of right be compelled to attend, erect, or support any place of worship, or to maintain any minister against his consent; that no human authority can, in any case whatever, control or interfere with the rights of conscience; and that no preference shall ever be given, by law, to any religious establishment or mode of worship.
    Sharia demands that all religions submit to Islam. Therefore, a mosque which also serves as a political meeting house for the expansion of Islamic law and supremacy automatically runs afoul of the Tennessee and US Constitutions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Sharia demands that all religions submit to Islam.
    They can demand all they want. Hell, I hear guys on the street corner in Fort Worth demanding all kinds of shit. Sucks to be them.

    Therefore, a mosque which also serves as a political meeting house for the expansion of Islamic law and supremacy automatically runs afoul of the Tennessee and US Constitutions.
    Pretty big leap but whatever gets you past the Constitution and the "loophole" called the 1st Ammendment ....

    On a side note, if you are successful, I think there are a lot of churches that are going to be concerned about being denied religious liberty if they involved themselves in political matters.
     

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    Technically he may be right as the Constitution was written but since the SC has incorporated the 1st and subsequent amendments via the 14th amendment and the due process clause, his position won't hold up.

    Until the turn of the last century the courts generally found that the establishment clause as well as other items specifically denied to Congress and the federal government were applicable only to the federal government.

    "Congress shall make no law..." did not apply at a state level and the states were free to ignore the 1st Amendment through the 8th as they saw fit.

    Unless he can get elected and get a SC bench that would overturn dozens of rulings that have fortified the incorporation doctrine, he is incorrect.
     

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