So "Fred" gives this DUer facts. Whether they have meaning is up for debate, but the DUer responds by making blanket statements about conservatives with NO FACTS listed. Simply accusations. And they think they "win" by doing this? They wonder why others don't believe them and listen to them. Why they FAIL when they try to "frame" things.Towlie (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-03-11 04:02 PM
Sorry Fred, we've been friends for 30 years but I never thought you'd email me anything like this!
First, my response to my old friend, "Fred" (not his real name):
Fred xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>Who Am I? (The Answer May Surprise You)
You've been a longtime friend, Fred, so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you forwarded this to me to alert me to the outrageously deceptive and contemptible trash that right-wingers are circulating through the email system. As I'm sure we both realize, we could do some research and systematically dissect these assertions about President Barack Obama and Adolf Hitler, and probably find many false statements, but there's no need for that because the underlying premise is fatally flawed that any of these alleged similarities somehow imply that Obama is Hitler.
I do see a similarity between the recent rise of right-wing politics in the USA and the similar rise in Germany that ultimately led to fascism, but that's obviously attributable to conservative, right-wing politicians like former President Bush and former Vice President Cheney, as well as John Boehner, Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, and all of the other members of the increasingly irrational and dishonest Republican Party.
Anyone who understands logic can see that it makes absolutely no sense to suggest a comparison of a (somewhat) left-wing personality like Barack Obama to a right-wing monster like Hitler when such a comparison would be much less out of place directed toward Obama's right-wing opponents. The only real complaint most of us have about Barack Obama is that he caves in to their cold, heartless, deceptive and mean-spirited demands much too easily, and that he's always talking about and accepting "bi-partisan compromise."
Anyway, thanks for forwarding this to me. I'll help spread it around the Internet to add to the growing pile of evidence that the Republican Party is growing more insane by the day and needs to be stopped before it's too late.
The original email message, forwarded to be by "Fred":
Who Am I? (The Answer May Surprise You)
1. I was born in one country, raised in another.
2. My father was born in another country.
3. I was not his only child.
4. He fathered several children with numerous women.
5. I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in me.
6. My mother died at an early age from cancer.
Although my father deserted me and my mother raised me, I later wrote a book idolizing my father, not my mother.
Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
1. My birth records were sketchy.
2. No one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
3. I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my new country, but I practiced non-traditional beliefs and didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.
I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them. That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and
embarked on a new career.
I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs, that I had difficulties accepting that my father abandoned
me as a child.
I became active in local politics in my 30's then, with help behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for national office in my 40s.
They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful speaker and citizens were drawn to me, as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks. I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances and this bolstered my ego. At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign policy...
I was very critical of my country in the last war, and seized every opportunity to bash my country.
But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views on the country's economy.
I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better, and every poor person would be fed and housed for free.
I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess. It was the free market, banks and corporations. I decided to start making citizens hate them and, if they became envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.
I called mine "A People's Campaign". That sounded good to all people.
I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside the traditional path of politics and was able to gain widespread popular support. I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope', together we could change our country and the world. So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor, ignorant to include "persecuted minorities".
My true views were not widely known and I kept them unknown, until after I became my nation's leader. I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings and examined those people I associated with. I'm glad they didn't.
Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And then the world learned the truth.
So who am I?
If you were thinking of SOMEONE ELSE, you should be scared, very scared.
No, I didn't actually send this to "Fred" yet. The email shows the addresses of some of the people who forwarded it to him and I might send this to them instead. I'm going to think about it for a while. Maybe I'll just say "here's your answer" and give him a link to this thread.
DUers it's simply your attitude and practice. NO FACTS NEEDED. SIMPLY ACCUSE AND MAKE BLANKET STATEMENTS.
More mind reading, or should I say race baiting.kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-03-11 04:06 PM
Response to Original message
1. Ask him when he thinks Obama will round up 6 million people from some religion and exterminate them.
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 04:07 PM by kysrsoze
This stuff is just stupid, and obviously so is he. Might also want to ask him, "Is this a black thing?" ... because it is.
More NO FACTS NEEDED.The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-03-11 04:07 PM
Response to Original message
2. For the Record, Sir, Very Little Of this Actually Tracks With Adolph Hitler
If you send the reply, it ought to close with 'you ignorant putz'....
RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-03-11 04:09 PM
Response to Original message
3. I hate emails like these
My God, this could be just about anyone. But Lo and Behold it's about Hitler. Hitler murdered 6 million Jews - when exactly did Barack Obama murder anyone?? I really despise these people who forward these items. And I tell them so in the emails in return. What in the world has happened to this country?? Didn't we used to care about each other at one time. I know I'm a hippie child, but My God, what happened?? Greed and Racism is all I see anymore. I really can't stand it. This isn't the country my Father came to in 1961. Or My Great-Grandmother in 1910. We have become cold and calculating and caring only for ourselves. It just makes me sick.