Is that Goddamned asshole in the WH happy now...

[djones520]

If they just let the country default, none of this would have happened.

If they had done their jobs in the first place, none of this would have happened.

Stop playing the fool Wei, I know your smarter then that.

[Rockntractor]

If they just let the country default, none of this would have happened.

How would they have let the country default?
Our creditors get paid off the top.

[Wei Wu Wei]

So, let's be honest for a moment, given all of this debt ceiling insanity and credit rating stuff and all this hoopla, would it really be the worst idea in the world to raise taxes on the very very top wealthy people?

I'm not talking about small business owners, forget all that rhetoric for a moment, for the sake of discussion, let's just say the top 1-5%, would raising taxes on these people end the world?

I'm not going to claim that raising taxes alone would solve all of our problems or anything like that, but come on, it would help bring in a little more revenue.

Can anyone here see any leeway or must you march lock-step with the republican line?

[djones520]

So, let's be honest for a moment, given all of this debt ceiling insanity and credit rating stuff and all this hoopla, would it really be the worst idea in the world to raise taxes on the very very top wealthy people?

I'm not talking about small business owners, forget all that rhetoric for a moment, for the sake of discussion, let's just say the top 1-5%, would raising taxes on these people end the world?

I'm not going to claim that raising taxes alone would solve all of our problems or anything like that, but come on, it would help bring in a little more revenue.

Can anyone here see any leeway or must you march lock-step with the republican line?

Let me offer you a counter question.

Would it really be the worst idea in the world to cut wasteful spending like the story I just linked?

Why not cut out our own fat before trying to attack private citizens?

[Wei Wu Wei]

Let me offer you a counter question.

Would it really be the worst idea in the world to cut wasteful spending like the story I just linked?

Why not cut out our own fat before trying to attack private citizens?

I've never claimed cutting wasteful spending was a bad idea. Some spending cuts are harder than others, but I agree that spending cuts are absolutely needed. I have my preferences, but I can be reasonable without being a walking talking party-bot.

Now, can anyone say that raising taxes on the wealthy elites is possible?

Taxes have been as high as 90% for the very wealthy, during the same period that the US saw the largest increase in the middle class EVER. Today, we're at near-historic low tax rates.

[djones520]

I've never claimed cutting wasteful spending was a bad idea. Some spending cuts are harder than others, but I agree that spending cuts are absolutely needed. I have my preferences, but I can be reasonable without being a walking talking party-bot.

Now, can anyone say that raising taxes on the wealthy elites is possible?

Taxes have been as high as 90% for the very wealthy, during the same period that the US saw the largest increase in the middle class EVER. Today, we're at near-historic low tax rates.

But why should the immediate response be tax tax tax?

Why not go for the wasteful spending first, and then see where we stand? I'd like to see you present that for a change.

[Wei Wu Wei]

But why should the immediate response be tax tax tax?

Why not go for the wasteful spending first, and then see where we stand? I'd like to see you present that for a change.

You're dancing all over it.

Why not both?

I agree spending should be cut but we're only looking at the spending side and not the revenue side. I understand that working class people and small business owners need low tax rates during a slow economy, but the super wealthy are doing better than they have in many decades.

[djones520]

You're dancing all over it.

Why not both?

I agree spending should be cut but we're only looking at the spending side and not the revenue side. I understand that working class people and small business owners need low tax rates during a slow economy, but the super wealthy are doing better than they have in many decades.

Why not both? Because the government owes it to the citizens to ensure that they can keep tax rates as low as possible. If it's possible to get a balanced budget without raising taxes, then that should be the plan.

Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

[Wei Wu Wei]

It's impossible, it's like a vampire walking into the sunlight. People who just swallow what the republicans put out there, day after day, month after month, become trained. It's a pavolian response at this point. It seems many people are simply incapable of wrapping their minds around something if the right-wing media machine has drilled it into them so consistently.

[djones520]

It's impossible, it's like a vampire walking into the sunlight. People who just swallow what the republicans put out there, day after day, month after month, become trained. It's a pavolian response at this point. It seems many people are simply incapable of wrapping their minds around something if the right-wing media machine has drilled it into them so consistently.

Bullshit it's impossible.

The same time your pointing at the greatest expansion of the middle class ever, the government wasn't giving out half the shit it does today.

It's because people have gotten spoon fed on free candy for so long they can't picture life without it anymore. Your talking about becoming trained, that is the whole damn problem. It's people being trained their whole lives to believe the government is responsible for their lives.