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    Some of the population, especially in the more democrat areas in inner-city Phoenix-Metro (basically Gijalva's district down to UofA) are really buying into it. Helped by Academia, and what passes for "latino" media. You can see them "rise up" as it were during the demonstrations against Arizona's immigration law where they threw water bottles at police. I think it was at that point that they realized that only about 1000 people, most high school/college students that showed up out of well over 4,000,000 people in the city. I think most of their parents must have been irate over the protests because they smaller and smaller after that.

    There are two things Phoenix isn't short on. 1.) Upstanding citizen guns owners. 2.) Sheriffs who will deputize civilians. That pretty much solves the problem if it becomes one.

    I'm just not sure I see this becoming a problem except in specific areas of some cities. I went to high school, the Marines, and now work with 1st generation Americans, naturalized citizens, and in high school, even knew some Mexican Nationals. They didn't seem like they felt oppressed to me, they just seemed damned glad to be here doing whatever it was they were doing.
    "In England a king hath little more to do than to make war and give away places; which in plain terms, is to impoverish the nation and set it together by the ears. A pretty business indeed for a man to be allowed eight hundred thousand sterling a year for, and worshipped into the bargain! Of more worth is one honest man to society and in the sight of God, than all the crowned ruffians that ever lived."
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    Quote Originally Posted by malloc View Post
    Some of the population, especially in the more democrat areas in inner-city Phoenix-Metro (basically Gijalva's district down to UofA) are really buying into it. Helped by Academia, and what passes for "latino" media. You can see them "rise up" as it were during the demonstrations against Arizona's immigration law where they threw water bottles at police. I think it was at that point that they realized that only about 1000 people, most high school/college students that showed up out of well over 4,000,000 people in the city. I think most of their parents must have been irate over the protests because they smaller and smaller after that.

    There are two things Phoenix isn't short on. 1.) Upstanding citizen guns owners. 2.) Sheriffs who will deputize civilians. That pretty much solves the problem if it becomes one.

    I'm just not sure I see this becoming a problem except in specific areas of some cities. I went to high school, the Marines, and now work with 1st generation Americans, naturalized citizens, and in high school, even knew some Mexican Nationals. They didn't seem like they felt oppressed to me, they just seemed damned glad to be here doing whatever it was they were doing.
    Here in NM, it's an old 'thing.' It goes back to La Allianza and Reies Tijerina and his land grant bunch. Never mind that Tijerina wasn't even a native New Mexican, a few joined him and spent time in jail after the Tierra Amarilla Courthouse raid.

    Most of the La Raza bunch here are losers who just can't seem to get up off their hindquarters and go to work. And, there are plenty of jobs in NM. Our unemployment rate is far below the national average. The recession missed us. They'd rather bitch about Gringo oppression than put in an 8 hr day.

    La Raza, Azatlan and the rest are just more leftwing noise, who threaten to take it a step further given the opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmPat View Post
    I hope these idiots keep talking. Let them expose who they are and what their agenda is; it makes targeting so much easier.
    It also will hopefully stop intelligent people who simply don't spend as much time online as we do from rolling their eyes and thinking, "Oh God, here he goes on illegal aliens again."

    Seriously, some members of my family think this is just me turning into my grandfather. It's not even a valid observation because unlike my grandfather, my feeling about immigration and immigrants is new in the last 10 years. He was a nativist all of his life.
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    It isn't immigration and immigrants. I welcome them, as long as they come legally. Hell, my grandparents are immigrants who came in through Ellis Island. They did it legally and became citizens by following the rules.

    It's the illegal aliens that frost me. I don't call them immigrants. That gives them a status they don't deserve. They're illegal and they're aliens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck58 View Post
    It isn't immigration and immigrants. I welcome them, as long as they come legally.
    I don't. I oppose mass immigration, legal or illegal. This country has all the people it needs as well as 12 million illegals and 20 million legals we don't need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I don't. I oppose mass immigration, legal or illegal. This country has all the people it needs as well as 12 million illegals and 20 million legals we don't need.
    Well I guess a broken clock is right twice a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
    Well I guess a broken clock is right twice a day.
    I ain't taking no Viagra.... oh wait, you said "clock".

    Nevermind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I ain't taking no Viagra.... oh wait, you said "clock".

    Nevermind
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    "Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings..." Patrick Henry
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    Quote Originally Posted by fettpett View Post
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    Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem.
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    We could say they are spending like drunken sailors. That would be unfair to drunken sailors, they're spending their OWN money.
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