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  1. #1 Good News: New Australian Passports Allow Third Gender Option 
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    The reform aims to curb gender discrimination

    Australians have been given a third choice when describing their gender on passport applications, under new guidelines aimed at removing discrimination.

    Transgender people and those of ambiguous sex will be able to list their gender as indeterminate, which will be shown on passports as an X.

    People whose gender was different from that of their birth were previously required to have reassignment surgery before they could change their passport to their preferred sex.

    An Australian senator, Louise Pratt - whose partner was born female and is now identified as a man - said the reform was a huge step forward.

    "There have been very many cases of people being detained at airports by immigration in foreign countries simply because their passports don't reflect what they look like," she told Australian radio.

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    Well sonna now has the option he's always wanted. :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
    Well sonna now has the option he's always wanted. :D
    ......Stand by for the hot verbal slathering .:eek:
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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    ......Stand by for the hot verbal slathering .:eek:
    Sonnaboob can kiss my ASAP. ;)
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    If you have XY or XYY chromosomes, you are a male, despite whatever way you've altered your appearance.

    If you have XX chromosomes, you are a female, even if you have a penis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    If you have XY or XYY chromosomes, you are a male, despite whatever way you've altered your appearance.

    If you have XX chromosomes, you are a female, even if you have a penis.
    What about XXY?

    What if, like most people, you never undergo genetic testing?

    There have been women who were born with a girl's body, raised as a girl, developed as a woman with a woman's body all throughout adulthood. The confusion arose when they could not get pregnant, went to a fertility clinic, underwent tests only to discover they were genetically XY. Because of hormone issues, they got a dose of "female hormones" their entire life, and thus developed physically and socially as as woman.

    Let's say someone with a woman's body who was labelled a girl at birth and raised as a girl never gets genetic testing, are they "undetermined" until they get their genes tested?
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    :D Comparison of Transvestism in Australia and America

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    With regard to the 86 Australians, the mean age of the nuclear transvestites was 38 years (range 21-68) and of the marginal transvestites, 39 (range 23-72). Twenty-four (77%) nuclear transvestites were married and four (13%) had never married. Thirty-nine (71%) marginal transvestites were married and 11 (20%) never married. The remaining subjects were divorced or widowed.

    With regard to the 126 Americans, the mean age of the nuclear transvestites was 49 years (range, 29-71) and of the marginal transvestites, 44 (range, 26- 75). Thirty-seven (73%) of the nuclear transvestites were married and 7 (14%) had never married. Fifty (67%) of the marginal transvestites were married and 11 (20%) had never married. The remaining subjects were divorced or widowed.

    Characteristics of Feminine Gender Identity Characteristics of feminine gender identity since childhood for subjects are recorded in Table I.

    Subjects were recorded as having been called "sissy" if they recalled having been called "sissy" on more than two occasions between the ages of 6 and 12 years. Playmate preference and preference for girls' games such as "dolls, cooking, or sewing" were also recorded for the ages of 6 to 12 years. With regard to the item "wish to have been born a girl," the subject's response was recorded as "often" if he was aware of the wish at least once a week. With regard to the item "feel like a woman," subject's response was recorded as "often" if he felt like a woman more than half the time.

    Australian compared to American subjects significantly more frequently preferred girls as playmates (x2 < 0.05, corrected) and wished to have been born girls between the ages of 6 and 12 years (x2 < 0.05, corrected) and between the ages of 13 and 18 years (x2 < 0.01, corrected).

    In both groups, the tendency for marginal transvestites as compared to nuclear transvestites to report more items characteristic of a feminine gender identity reached significance (p < 0.05, Sign Test). Significant differences on the individual items pertaining to gender identity for nuclear as compared to marginal transvestite groups are indicated by the footnotes in Table I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    What about XXY?

    What if, like most people, you never undergo genetic testing?

    There have been women who were born with a girl's body, raised as a girl, developed as a woman with a woman's body all throughout adulthood. The confusion arose when they could not get pregnant, went to a fertility clinic, underwent tests only to discover they were genetically XY. Because of hormone issues, they got a dose of "female hormones" their entire life, and thus developed physically and socially as as woman.

    Let's say someone with a woman's body who was labelled a girl at birth and raised as a girl never gets genetic testing, are they "undetermined" until they get their genes tested?


    Do you know how rare hermaphodites are? That's not the same as a transexual who is born male or female and then is surgically altered to become the opposite sex. There is a big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Do you know how rare hermaphodites are? That's not the same as a transexual who is born male or female and then is surgically altered to become the opposite sex. There is a big difference.
    Well those are not hermaphrodites but yes it is still very rare.


    The point is that there is a difference between sex and gender. Sex is a biological concept that has to do with genetics, gender is a social concept that has to do with identity.

    The example I described was someone who was biologically "male", but because they were labeled as a girl at birth, viewed themselves as a female, and was treated by everyone as a female, they were thus socially "female".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Well those are not hermaphrodites but yes it is still very rare.

    The point is that there is a difference between sex and gender. Sex is a biological concept that has to do with genetics, gender is a social concept that has to do with identity.

    The example I described was someone who was biologically "male", but because they were labeled as a girl at birth, viewed themselves as a female, and was treated by everyone as a female, they were thus socially "female".
    If a child is potty trained in a sandbox and fed a steady diet of Tender Vittles, that doesn't make him a cat, no matter what he may think he is. This kind of gender theory elevates subjective perception over reality.
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