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    (CNSNews.com) - Nine months after President Barack Obama signed a bill repealing the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy that said homosexuals could not openly serve in the U.S. military, the “gay ban” ended Tuesday at one minute after midnight.

    The first celebration took place in Vermont, where Navy Lt. Gary Ross and his civilian partner Dan Swezy were married. Ross wore his dress uniform for the double-ring ceremony, which took place at midnight -- the same moment the military’s new policy took effect.

    There was no official announcement about the end of DADT on the Defense Department’s Web site early Tuesday morning, nor did the White House Web site make any mention of the fact that soldiers no longer have to conceal their homosexuality.
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    Those who oppose the shift in policy include Elaine Donnelly, the founder and president of the Center for Military Readiness, an independent public policy organization that specializes in military personnel issues.

    Donnelly told CNN that allowing gays and lesbians to serve will drive many loyal troops out of the military.

    "Due to the president's political promises, the military faces heavy burdens of confusion and tension that could have been avoided," Donnelly told CNN. "This is nothing for the administration to be proud of."

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    Hitting the Navy first.

    Certainly going on in every other branch of service.

    The Navy’s former top civilian has rocked the service in a military journal article by accusing officials of sinking the storied naval air branch into a sea of political correctness.

    Former Navy Secretary John Lehman, himself a former carrier-based aviator, wrote that the swagger and daring of yesterday’s culture has given way to a focus on integrating women and, this year, gays.

    Pilots constantly worry about anonymous complaints about salty language, while squadron commanders are awash in bureaucratic requirements for reports and statistics, he added.

    “If we continue to suppress the warrior spirit, there will be no one left to defend the Constitution of the United States and we shall perish as a nation.

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    Avoiding the anonymous complaint is more important than sound decision making.

    Who couldn't see that one coming?

    “Once standards of common sense were ignored in favor of political correctness, there were no limits to the spread of its domination,” Mr. Lehman wrote.

    “Not only have alcohol infractions anonymously reported on the hot line become career-enders, but suspicions of sexual harassment, homophobia, telling of risque jokes, and speech likely to offend favored groups all find their way into fitness reports.

    “And if actual hot-line investigations are then launched, that is usually the end of a career, regardless of the outcome.

    The fearsom United States military. The greatest fighting force the world has ever seen is no more.
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    The fearsom United States military. The greatest fighting force the world has ever seen is no more.
    And that makes the world a much more dangerous place for freedom loving people everywhere.
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    Surely it does! Last time the world had a fearsome fighting machine, it was the Legions of Rome. At the height of Rome's power, homosexuality in the legions was punishable by execution. As the overall culture became degenerate, the legions became degenerate, homosexuality was accepted, celebrated. Then the legions abandoned Rome finding nothing worth fighting for. Then Rome fell. Overcome by barbarians who behaved, predictably enough, with barbarity.

    The world was plunged into the era known as the Dark Ages. How much darker the next dark age will be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipsycatlover View Post
    At the height of Rome's power, homosexuality in the legions was punishable by execution.
    Homosexuality (male passive homosexuality) was not proscribed by law or punishable by execution until Christianity was crafted as the state religion of Rome, shortly before what is commonly referred to as "The Fall", and by no means at the height of the Roman Empire's power. In fact, the Empire had already split. By most accounts at the height of the Roman Empire, homosexuality was at best tolerated by society as a whole, and while same sex marriages and bonds co-existed with heterosexual marriages (contract marriages in the upper class) , most sociologists claim that homosexuality was viewed as a harmless vice or eccentricity. Of course, we have little idea what the peasants thought about homosexuality, because history until recently has largely been the history of the nobility.

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    As the overall culture became degenerate, the legions became degenerate, homosexuality was accepted, celebrated.
    You have no basis for this claim. Then as now, there were people who thought that homosexuality was disgusting, those who were indifferent, and those who were homosexual or who treated homosexuals well.

    Your concept isn't even logical. By your reasoning, homosexuality was accepted and widely practiced during the entire rise of the Roman Empire, but you aren't giving homosexuality credit for the building of the Empire, you at some arbitrary (and illogical point) then claim that homosexuality is responsible for the "fall" of the Empire.

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    Okay to Be Openly Gay in U.S. Military. just be prepared for a medic to remove those 25 bars of soap stuck up your ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipsycatlover View Post
    Surely it does! Last time the world had a fearsome fighting machine, it was the Legions of Rome. At the height of Rome's power, homosexuality in the legions was punishable by execution. As the overall culture became degenerate, the legions became degenerate, homosexuality was accepted, celebrated. Then the legions abandoned Rome finding nothing worth fighting for. Then Rome fell. Overcome by barbarians who behaved, predictably enough, with barbarity.

    The world was plunged into the era known as the Dark Ages. How much darker the next dark age will be?


    But really there is nothing wrong with being gay,in time the people against gays will be thought of the same as those who tried to segregate people based on their race,or deny people the right to vote because they're women. Time marches on and times change. We're no longer living in the 1960's where Elvis could only be filmed from the waist up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hai View Post


    But really there is nothing wrong with being gay,in time the people against gays will be thought of the same as those who tried to segregate people based on their race,or deny people the right to vote because they're women. Time marches on and times change. We're no longer living in the 1960's where Elvis could only be filmed from the waist up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hai View Post


    But really there is nothing wrong with being gay,in time the people against gays will be thought of the same as those who tried to segregate people based on their race,or deny people the right to vote because they're women. Time marches on and times change. We're no longer living in the 1960's where Elvis could only be filmed from the waist up.
    I don't think so. I'm sure if a queer had come out of the closet when I was in, there would be a number of Black, White, all colors there when he had his accident. Black men are men, as are Brown, Yellow, Red and White. They aren't she-men. That's the difference. It isn't about race or gender, and I'm well aware that this mixed gender thing (experiment, whatever) is causing problems and will cause problems in the future because, it too is another feel good thing that people who have never been in the military are trying to foist off on the military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hai View Post
    But really there is nothing wrong with being gay,in time the people against gays will be thought of the same as those who tried to segregate people based on their race,or deny people the right to vote because they're women. Time marches on and times change. We're no longer living in the 1960's where Elvis could only be filmed from the waist up.
    Except that it may not. Lots of ancient cultures went from extremes of tolerance for homosexuals, but, like some of our new recruits, a pendulum swings both ways. You're assuming that the paradigm of the last thirty years in Europe and the US will continue to move in the current direction, but if 5,000 years of recorded history shows anything, it's that nothing is settled forever. A few years from now, this could all blow over, or it could blow up, and my experience in the armed forces strongly suggests the latter.
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