For your information ,as if information would ever change your little liberal mind.Last year nearly 50,000 male veterans screened positive for “military sexual trauma” at the Department of Veterans Affairs,..Forced Male rape..
My personal experience, outside the military of course, is that sexual harassment between gay men and straight men generally takes the form of straight men taking the most outrageous physical liberties with gay men in the assumption that they would enjoy it... quite similar to the oft expressed mentality towards woman, ie "She liked it/she wanted it."
Brass tacks, I have been physically assaulted by straight males in the workplace in ways I have never NEVER seen a gay male perpetrate on a straight one. For some reason, some straight men think that gay men are given to enjoy having their nipples pinched or being humped from behind as a form of "teasing". In fact, most gay men take this in stride and never pursue a workplace or legal complaint because we generally have thicker skin than that. We aren't women in men's bodies, we're men in men's bodies and as a rule there isn't the imbalance of power in the outside world that women experience. However, the previous treatment of gay men in the military would indeed create an imbalance of power when the first thing a superior officer was going to ask a gay man complaining of harassment by a heterosexual man is a question which would cost the gay man his military career.
How exactly do you expect this change in policy to affect you in your actual workplace? Let's have some specifics rather than you speculating on how it will affect others.
The US military is at present a voluntary force. Those coming in have a choice to serve under the new rules or not. Those in have the choice to stay or leave in their window of choice. Eventually there will be no reason for there to be anyone in the military who can't live with an integrated military.
And again, I have to say how surprised I am at your attitude on this given the esteem with which you consistently hold all military personnel regardless of individual possible differences. If joining the military is a noble and patriotic thing to do, and passing or excelling in training to go on to a respectable career in a field of highest calling then that will transcend petty concerns and religious prejudices, or should.
You and those who accept the prospect of violence by straight soldiers on gay ones actually seem to have a much lower opinion of military personnel than those you accuse of being anti-military (ie me).
PS- I think you also have some strange ideas of the dynamics of gay men and their relationships, especially friendships. I often get the impression that straight men think that because women do not control the sex supply for gay men that there are no rules and it's sex all the time with anyone who passes by. This is not the case.
Last edited by Novaheart; 09-20-2011 at 07:03 PM.
I've thought a little before making this post. I've decided to just say what I feel.
First, I hate the term 'gay.' I call them what I've always called them.
I'm a Vietnam Veteran. I know the attitude toward fags when I was in. I know what would happen to one if he outed himself during my time 1965-68. And, I'm reasonably sure that, short of death to the queer nothing would be done other than that he would disappear - probably a general discharge or worse once he was out of the hospital.
This is a different time. Still, I don't think the Army is made up of people that much different than me. I'm curious whether enlistments and re-ups will suffer because of the law going into effect. Already, on CBS news, they showed a couple of guys in uniform just delighted with the fact that they could be all they wanted to be, and kissing. I mean, damn, what straight guy would want to bunk in the same room as one of them? Seriously!
I'm really curious to see what this (in my opinion) moronic rule does to enlistments and re-ups.
Last edited by Chuck58; 09-20-2011 at 08:19 PM.
So, let's say that a year from now, we see a massive drop in recruiting and retention numbers, and a massive increase in sexual misconduct. What do we do then? How do we get the genie back into the bottle? Or will we even be allowed to acknowledge the problem?
But really there is nothing wrong with being gay,in time the people against gays will be thought of the same as those who tried to segregate people based on their race,or deny people the right to vote because they're women. Time marches on and times change. We're no longer living in the 1960's where Elvis could only be filmed from the waist up.
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