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    For decades, liberals tried persuading Americans to abolish the death penalty, using their usual argument: hysterical sobbing.

    Only when the media began lying about innocent people being executed did support for the death penalty begin to waver, falling from 80 percent to about 60 percent in a little more than a decade. (Silver lining: That's still more Americans than believe in man-made global warming.)

    Fifty-nine percent of Americans now believe that an innocent man has been executed in the last five years. There is more credible evidence that space aliens have walked among us than that an innocent person has been executed in this country in the past 60 years, much less the past five years.

    But unless members of the public are going to personally review trial transcripts in every death penalty case, they have no way of knowing the truth. The media certainly won't tell them.

    It's nearly impossible to receive a death sentence these days -- unless you do something completely crazy like shoot a cop in full view of dozens of witnesses in a Burger King parking lot, only a few hours after shooting at a passing car while exiting a party.

    That's what Troy Davis did in August 1989. Davis is the media's current baby seal of death row.

    After a two-week trial with 34 witnesses for the state and six witnesses for the defense, the jury of seven blacks and five whites took less than two hours to convict Davis of Officer Mark MacPhail's murder, as well as various other crimes. Two days later, the jury sentenced Davis to death.

    Now, a brisk 22 years after Davis murdered Officer MacPhail, his sentence will finally be administered this week -- barring any more of the legal shenanigans that have kept taxpayers on the hook for Davis' room and board for the past two decades.

    (The average time on death row is 14 years. Then liberals turn around and triumphantly claim the death penalty doesn't have any noticeable deterrent effect. As the kids say: Duh.)

    It has been claimed -- in The New York Times and Time magazine, for example -- that there was no "physical evidence" connecting Davis to the crimes that night.

    Davis pulled out a gun and shot two strangers in public. What "physical evidence" were they expecting? No houses were broken into, no cars stolen, no rapes or fistfights accompanied the shootings. Where exactly would you look for DNA? And to prove what?

    I suppose it would be nice if the shell casings from both shootings that night matched. Oh wait -- they did. That's "physical evidence."

    It's true that the bulk of the evidence against Davis was eyewitness testimony. That tends to happen when you shoot someone in a busy Burger King parking lot.

    Eyewitness testimony, like all evidence tending to show guilt, has gotten a bad name recently, but the "eyewitness" testimony in this case did not consist simply of strangers trying to distinguish one tall black man from another. For one thing, several of the eyewitnesses knew Davis personally.

    The bulk of the eyewitness testimony established the following:

    Two tall, young black men were harassing a vagrant in the Burger King parking lot, one in a yellow shirt and the other in a white Batman shirt. The one in the white shirt used a brown revolver to pistol-whip the vagrant. When a cop yelled at them to stop, the man in the white shirt ran, then wheeled around and shot the cop, walked over to his body and shot him again, smiling.

    Some eyewitnesses described the shooter as wearing a white shirt, some said it was a white shirt with writing, and some identified it specifically as a white Batman shirt. Not one witness said the man in the yellow shirt pistol-whipped the vagrant or shot the cop.

    Several of Davis' friends testified -- without recantation -- that he was the one in a white shirt. Several eyewitnesses, both acquaintances and strangers, specifically identified Davis as the one who shot Officer MacPhail.

    Now the media claim that seven of the nine witnesses against Davis at trial have recanted.

    First of all, the state presented 34 witnesses against Davis -- not nine -- which should give you some idea of how punctilious the media are about their facts in death penalty cases.

    Among the witnesses who did not recant a word of their testimony against Davis were three members of the Air Force, who saw the shooting from their van in the Burger King drive-in lane. The airman who saw events clearly enough to positively identify Davis as the shooter explained on cross-examination, "You don't forget someone that stands over and shoots someone."

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    Looks like there was overwhelming evidence of his guilt. I was on a rape and robbery case about 10 years ago. We had 3 blacks that had been picked. While we were waiting in a room for the last 2 to be picked, the blacks all stated that the evidence had to be there to convict. In less than 2 hours, we voted to convict. The evidence was there in this case and in the case of the cop killer. With that many blacks on the jury, they would not have voted to convict if there was a shred of doubt.

    The cop killer deserved to die. Good riddance.
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    The story I saw this morning neglected to mention shell casings.


    I'm against the death penalty. I support life in prison without the possibility of parole for murder cases. I'm not saying this guy was guilty or innocent (I'm certainly not taking Ann Coulter's word for it that he's guilty), but now he's dead and if he was innocent, it's too late to do anything about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    I support life in prison without the possibility of parole for murder cases.
    Yes because it's better to hosue and feed a murdering scumbag for decades after tax money wasing decade than actually mete out justice.
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    There are those on death row that actually serve life sentences instead of execution. They die of natural causes long before the execution date.
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    For some reason my mother decided to latch onto the Troy Davis case. I've never known her to be particularly anti-DP, but perhaps as she grows older and death seems closer and inevitable, the idea of a state conducted execution seems unacceptable to her.

    I didn't bother to become an expert on the Troy Davis case. I simply noted that several courts had reviewed the case and none had reversed it. Somewhat more emotionally, I noted that just about every DP case seized upon by the activists has some components in common, to wit:

    He has maintained his innocence from the start.

    (Big deal, who wouldn't?)

    Witnesses have recanted.

    (Yes, and with a parade of political and community activists (not to mention thugs) working on you and chatting up your family members you might see some wisdom in recanting too. If the maid in New York recanted her accusations against the French finance minister, would these same people think she did so on her own after soul searching? If these witness have recanted, then either they were lying then or they are lying now. Which is it? Oh, the police coerced them.)

    The accusation that the police coerced or manipulated eyewitnesses.

    These are not proof of innocence. These are not indictments of findings of guilt. These are not disproof of evidence used in the original trials and which survived appeal after appeal.

    But my mother wouldn't hear it. She had her mind made up. In a rare case of being close minded and childish, she didn't want to discuss it. She merely said, "You're probably right, you are so much more knowledgeable than I am." in that nasty backhand of hers which is amusing when you aren't on the receiving end of it.

    Maybe we should stop executing people for awhile, just to see what the NAACP, the SPLC, the ALCU, and Amnesty International find to do with their time. To their credit, the Innocence Project works through the legal system. I don't think that they have actually proven anyone innocent, but DNA coming to court was bound to have some shakeout on old cases, and most of these men have served longer sentences than a slick guy with a good lawyer might. There is a certain lowered risk to most of the Innocence Project cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Yes because it's better to hosue and feed a murdering scumbag for decades after tax money wasing decade than actually mete out justice.
    I'm not sure how it works, but I think the numbers say that a life sentence is cheaper than an execution. Of course, that's just if you are counting food clothing and shelter.

    We also need to consider the guys who kill other inmates while in prison. How to we count that in the cost? Some guy goes to prison for stealing cars and gets a death sentence at the hands of a lifer because the prisons can't or won't protect the inmates from each other? How about the prison guard who gets HIV, Hepatitis, or some other chronic and possibly terminal illness because one of these scumbags is pitching a fit?

    Maybe we need to consider a Devil's Island approach.
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    I don't know whether life sentences are cheaper than death penalty cases. There has never been a REAL examination of the costs.

    Much of the costs in death penalty cases has to do with appeals. A death penalty inmate only gets ONE appeal as a matter of law. The rest of the appeals are filed by various inmate advocate agencies. Appeal after appeal. The state defends against the appeals and that's where the money comes in.

    When you see the statistics of the costs involved in life sentences what you NEVER see are the costs expended by defending against the numerous lawsuits filed by the inmate. Inmates file writs, lawsuits and motions as a hobby. At any given moment a random inmate may have a dozen procedural actions going. If the convict is illiterate, there are dozens of jailhouse lawyers who are happy to help for a price. Inmates sue for everything and anything. If Lexis-Nexis is out for an hour, a dozen inmates will sue for denial of access to legal materials. They sue because they want more porn, because there isn't enough salsa with breakfast. Each and every one of these actions require state defense just like death penalty appeals do. We just never hear about those associated costs.
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    I don't know whether life sentences are cheaper than death penalty cases. There has never been a REAL examination of the costs
    Well let's see housing feeding and providing medical care and in some cases college degrees for someone for the next 30-40 years versus the cost of a steak dinner and the drug coctail used to kill the scumbag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lacarnut View Post
    Looks like there was overwhelming evidence of his guilt. I was on a rape and robbery case about 10 years ago. We had 3 blacks that had been picked. While we were waiting in a room for the last 2 to be picked, the blacks all stated that the evidence had to be there to convict. In less than 2 hours, we voted to convict. The evidence was there in this case and in the case of the cop killer. With that many blacks on the jury, they would not have voted to convict if there was a shred of doubt.

    The cop killer deserved to die. Good riddance.
    Anyone who kills another,cop or not,in cold blood, has in my estimation,ceased to be a human being .
    .......Once a life is taken in cold,dead blood something changes in a person and it's much easier to kill again ...

    A murderer looses something in the act of murder..Call it a part of humanity, never to be regained...
    ....A murderer becomes.. other than,....less than ..human and therefore a danger to civilized society ......
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