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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    Anyone who kills another,cop or not,in cold blood, has in my estimation,ceased to be a human being .
    .......Once a life is taken in cold,dead blood something changes in a person and it's much easier to kill again ...

    A murderer looses something in the act of murder..Call it a part of humanity, never to be regained...
    ....A murderer becomes.. other than,....less than ..human and therefore a danger to civilized society ......
    In many people killing again becomes easy. In some people it's a rush and they enjoy it. Those individuals need to be put down as soon as possible.
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    Why is killing someone supposed to be such a horrible sin, but at the same time you want to give the government the power to do exactly that?

    Why is it when it comes to providing food assistance or medical care to poor children or the elderly, the government is a giant fumbling erroneous bureaucracy that is filled with mistakes and inefficiencies, but when it comes to executing someone, everyone here has so much faith in the government?

    How much of this insatiable bloodlust is coming from self-professed Christians? You know who else was executed by the state after being convicted of a crime? That's right. Even Jesus Christ himself spoke to, and forgave criminals who were being executed along side him.
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    Waaaaaaaaahhh..cop killer dead..

    Buh Bye..

    Re-impose the death sentence for Mumia now..
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Yes because it's better to hosue and feed a murdering scumbag for decades after tax money wasing decade than actually mete out justice.

    I understand why people want the death penalty.


    Yes, I do think it is better to house and feed a murderer for decades than for the government to murder him. I think depriving someone of their freedom for the rest of his life is a fair punishment for murder. I don't live in a death penalty state.
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    Taking life is not always "murder". It happens in wars all the time. It happens in self-defence. It's really about the justification.

    On the other hand, were there any protestors at the execution of the white suppremacist (tried and convicted under George Bush, and executed under Rick Perry) who drug the black guy to his death behind a pickup?

    Oh yes, Einstein said that everything is relative according to your particular point of view.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Why is killing someone supposed to be such a horrible sin, but at the same time you want to give the government the power to do exactly that?
    It is not a sin to kill in self-defense. The execution of a murderer is part of the delegation of the right of self-defense to the state, which executes those who have demonstrated that they cannot be permitted to continue to draw breath because of their crimes. Those who try to blur the distinction between a murderer taking the life of an innocent victim and the state imposing a punishment for that seek to eliminate the concept of justice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Why is it when it comes to providing food assistance or medical care to poor children or the elderly, the government is a giant fumbling erroneous bureaucracy that is filled with mistakes and inefficiencies, but when it comes to executing someone, everyone here has so much faith in the government?
    When we argue against the expansion of government into areas for which it is not meant to go, we demonstrate its ineptitude in those specific areas. In the area of providing food assistance, medical care, welfare or most of the other programs that you support, the coercive nature of government prevents efficiency. As Washington said, government is not faith, or reason, but force, and the use of force as a tool of income redistribution is tyrannical. The use of force to protect the innocent and punish the guilty, however, is one of the basic reasons that government has the authority to use force.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    How much of this insatiable bloodlust is coming from self-professed Christians? You know who else was executed by the state after being convicted of a crime? That's right. Even Jesus Christ himself spoke to, and forgave criminals who were being executed along side him.
    Jesus forgave them for their sins, but did not absolve them of responsibility, nor did he state that they did not warrant their punishment. Regardless, I'm not bound by the Old Testament, and your desperation and hypocrisy is becoming comical.
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    Maybe they should've tried the baby seal method on the cop killer..

    just sayin...
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    Pros or cons of the DP aside*, what is often overlooked is that the vast majority, if not all, of these people executed have criminal pasts that put them in the position of being arrested and tried for the crime in the first place.
    Long true story short, in my early 20's I knew some very bad and vicious people. 2 of them are serving triple life sentences for 1st degree murder. Another is serving life without parole for shooting a store manager during a robbery. Noonie probably knows which case I am talking about. In the 2nd instance, I had given this person and his accomplice a ride only a couple days earlier. We stopped at a party store for some beer, but they did not rob the place. Had it been a couple days later, I may have been the driver in the store murder.
    Last year I testified in the trial that got him convicted (30 years after the crime).
    I may not have been guilty of anything except bad judgement, but I was hardly innocent.
    Point is that had I been the driver the night of the shooting, in some states I would have been as guilty as the shooter and if it was a DP state, just as executable. I put myself in that position, no one else did and would have only myself to blame.
    So no, I have no sympathy for these people, regardless of how I feel about the DP.
    It may sound trite, but you reap what you sow.

    *Would rather see that instead of an execution, they do a 23 hour solitary lock down with the only furniture, other than a bed, be a short rope hanging from the ceiling and a tall chair.
    20 to 50 years of that would probably eliminate the need.
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    How much of this insatiable bloodlust is coming from self-professed Christians? You know who else was executed by the state after being convicted of a crime? That's right. Even Jesus Christ himself spoke to, and forgave criminals who were being executed along side him.
    "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's"..in other words, obey the law of the land. Give to God that which is God's, and give that which is Caesar's, to Caesar = pay taxes = obey the law.

    I don't see a problem here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madisonian View Post
    Pros or cons of the DP aside*, what is often overlooked is that the vast majority, if not all, of these people executed have criminal pasts that put them in the position of being arrested and tried for the crime in the first place.
    Long true story short, in my early 20's I knew some very bad and vicious people. 2 of them are serving triple life sentences for 1st degree murder. Another is serving life without parole for shooting a store manager during a robbery. Noonie probably knows which case I am talking about. In the 2nd instance, I had given this person and his accomplice a ride only a couple days earlier. We stopped at a party store for some beer, but they did not rob the place. Had it been a couple days later, I may have been the driver in the store murder.
    Last year I testified in the trial that got him convicted (30 years after the crime).
    I may not have been guilty of anything except bad judgement, but I was hardly innocent.
    Point is that had I been the driver the night of the shooting, in some states I would have been as guilty as the shooter and if it was a DP state, just as executable. I put myself in that position, no one else did and would have only myself to blame.
    So no, I have no sympathy for these people, regardless of how I feel about the DP.
    It may sound trite, but you reap what you sow.

    *Would rather see that instead of an execution, they do a 23 hour solitary lock down with the only furniture, other than a bed, be a short rope hanging from the ceiling and a tall chair.
    20 to 50 years of that would probably eliminate the need.
    sounds a lot like my brother in law, except he WAS driving when they robbed the place and ended up in prison for 10 years
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