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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkgirl View Post
    I don't think they have anything listed as "organic".....but it's fresher than buying at the supermarket. I peel everything, even peaches and nectarines, apples...etc.
    you are throwing away a lot of the nutrients by doing that
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    Not according to the FDA.

    I can only find stories from the British version of the FDA, but they stated back in 2009 that "organic" food had no greater nutritional value that other types.
    A dear friend's sister is a devotee of Joel D. Wallach, DVM. She's not an idiot, but she firmly believes just about every bit of lore regarding health and food, including that foods grown in the US aren't as nutritious as they once were due to soil depletion.

    If you can believe it, I don't argue with her, I just listen. Unfortunately, coupled with her belief that you can cure everything with magic water from a mine in Utah or more kindly a balance of essential minerals, is her belief that medical doctors are full of crap and kill people. In my case, if I were to take some of the stuff she has recommended, I would probably OD on potassium alone.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcfsq1_bt8

    very nice analysis of "eco-friendly" consumerism and why liberals like to buy organic and shop at starbucks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcfsq1_bt8

    very nice analysis of "eco-friendly" consumerism and why liberals like to buy organic and shop at starbucks

    His appearance notwithstanding, the delivery is wonderful. I'm not sure it would be the same without the accent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post

    very nice analysis of "eco-friendly" consumerism and why liberals like to buy organic and shop at starbucks
    I get really tired of Slavy Baby trying to compare a corporate craphole like a Starbucks to people who produce organic foods.

    Organic food prices are expensive because of corporate monopoly on the food industry. Not because we need more socialism.
    We don't have a true free market, therefore organic foods are more expensive to produce and companies like Tyson and Perdue can corner the market in their respective food industry.

    Want to have cheaper more organically grown food? Open it to competition locally and don't sock it to local farmers by subsidizing the big guys. Of course this would all mean that in certain areas of the country you're not going to get blueberries and out of season foods.

    No we don't buy it because we are trying to "do something". We 've done our homework and know it can be more conducive to a healthy lifestyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    I get really tired of Slavy Baby trying to compare a corporate craphole like a Starbucks to people who produce organic foods.

    Organic food prices are expensive because of corporate monopoly on the food industry. Not because we need more socialism.
    We don't have a true free market, therefore organic foods are more expensive to produce and companies like Tyson and Perdue can corner the market in their respective food industry.

    Want to have cheaper more organically grown food? Open it to competition locally and don't sock it to local farmers by subsidizing the big guys. Of course this would all mean that in certain areas of the country you're not going to get blueberries and out of season foods.

    No we don't buy it because we are trying to "do something". We 've done our homework and know it can be more conducive to a healthy lifestyle.
    I have never delved into the politics or economics of organic farming and food production. I always assumed that they were more expensive for two reasons:

    ConAgra controls millions of acres of land for industrial farming while Joey Flaxseed grows organic oranges and tomatoes on 30 acres in Ocala with no pesticides, higher waster, and less economy of scale.

    The health food store is owned by people who talk like hippies and gouge like mafiosi.

    I didn't take the subsidies into consideration. I'm guessing a person could get a degree in the ins and outs of industrial versus organic farming.


    Something which does concern me is the alleged effort of ConAgra and Walmart to subvert the meanings of the labels of "organic" and other healthful claims. They already label crap as "smart choice" or "healthy alternative" which no nutritionist of any stripe would consider smart or healthy unless we're comparing everything to a Big Mac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    The health food store is owned by people who talk like hippies and gouge like mafiosi.
    local natural food coops do not gouge prices because they are all ruthless capitalists. Most of them don't agree with me on anything concerning current events and philosophy.

    Most of them don't even understand the link to government goodies, corporate welfare, and how it hurts their operation. Some of the higher costs are caused by the fact that people still do most of the workload and it isn't automated, but it's impossible to get them to make the connection to regulations on their own local production of food as to why their tomatoes might be a dollar more a pound than Big box marts
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    While those things MIGHT be part of the precieved view of the price of organic veggies, but it's the $17,000 cost of the Certification that drives the prices up. the people my wife works for can't afford that, nor can 90% of small farms that grow organically but can't use the label because of the cost issue
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    Ever notice the sell by date on organic milk? It's like a month longer than the regular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fettpett View Post
    While those things MIGHT be part of the precieved view of the price of organic veggies, but it's the $17,000 cost of the Certification that drives the prices up. the people my wife works for can't afford that, nor can 90% of small farms that grow organically but can't use the label because of the cost issue
    I've always had a problem with the certification thing.

    ConAgra and Walmart are going to render "organic" meaningless , if it isn't already, anyway, so organic or less-toxic farmers should come up with their own word, trademark it, and then they can decide who gets to use it based on a reasonable criteria and without fee. Or they can simply label it: Joe Flaxseed Oranges, grown responsible and unwilling to pay the "Organic" tax."

    Some people, granted not very nice people, have called the Kosher certification a tax. I would imagine that there are people who make kosher foods who aren't willing to pay to have the Kosher or Pareve symbols on their packaging.
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