Okay to Be Openly Gay in U.S. Military

[megimoo]

(CNSNews.com) - Nine months after President Barack Obama signed a bill repealing the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy that said homosexuals could not openly serve in the U.S. military, the “gay ban” ended Tuesday at one minute after midnight.

The first celebration took place in Vermont, where Navy Lt. Gary Ross and his civilian partner Dan Swezy were married. Ross wore his dress uniform for the double-ring ceremony, which took place at midnight -- the same moment the military’s new policy took effect.

There was no official announcement about the end of DADT on the Defense Department’s Web site early Tuesday morning, nor did the White House Web site make any mention of the fact that soldiers no longer have to conceal their homosexuality.
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Those who oppose the shift in policy include Elaine Donnelly, the founder and president of the Center for Military Readiness, an independent public policy organization that specializes in military personnel issues.

Donnelly told CNN that allowing gays and lesbians to serve will drive many loyal troops out of the military.

"Due to the president's political promises, the military faces heavy burdens of confusion and tension that could have been avoided," Donnelly told CNN. "This is nothing for the administration to be proud of."

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...ay-us-military

[Tipsycatlover]

Hitting the Navy first.

Certainly going on in every other branch of service.

The Navy’s former top civilian has rocked the service in a military journal article by accusing officials of sinking the storied naval air branch into a sea of political correctness.

Former Navy Secretary John Lehman, himself a former carrier-based aviator, wrote that the swagger and daring of yesterday’s culture has given way to a focus on integrating women and, this year, gays.

Pilots constantly worry about anonymous complaints about salty language, while squadron commanders are awash in bureaucratic requirements for reports and statistics, he added.

“If we continue to suppress the warrior spirit, there will be no one left to defend the Constitution of the United States and we shall perish as a nation.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-corre/?page=3

Avoiding the anonymous complaint is more important than sound decision making.

Who couldn't see that one coming?

“Once standards of common sense were ignored in favor of political correctness, there were no limits to the spread of its domination,” Mr. Lehman wrote.

“Not only have alcohol infractions anonymously reported on the hot line become career-enders, but suspicions of sexual harassment, homophobia, telling of risque jokes, and speech likely to offend favored groups all find their way into fitness reports.

“And if actual hot-line investigations are then launched, that is usually the end of a career, regardless of the outcome.

The fearsom United States military. The greatest fighting force the world has ever seen is no more.

[txradioguy]

The fearsom United States military. The greatest fighting force the world has ever seen is no more.

And that makes the world a much more dangerous place for freedom loving people everywhere.

[Tipsycatlover]

Surely it does! Last time the world had a fearsome fighting machine, it was the Legions of Rome. At the height of Rome's power, homosexuality in the legions was punishable by execution. As the overall culture became degenerate, the legions became degenerate, homosexuality was accepted, celebrated. Then the legions abandoned Rome finding nothing worth fighting for. Then Rome fell. Overcome by barbarians who behaved, predictably enough, with barbarity.

The world was plunged into the era known as the Dark Ages. How much darker the next dark age will be?

[Novaheart]

At the height of Rome's power, homosexuality in the legions was punishable by execution.

Homosexuality (male passive homosexuality) was not proscribed by law or punishable by execution until Christianity was crafted as the state religion of Rome, shortly before what is commonly referred to as "The Fall", and by no means at the height of the Roman Empire's power. In fact, the Empire had already split. By most accounts at the height of the Roman Empire, homosexuality was at best tolerated by society as a whole, and while same sex marriages and bonds co-existed with heterosexual marriages (contract marriages in the upper class) , most sociologists claim that homosexuality was viewed as a harmless vice or eccentricity. Of course, we have little idea what the peasants thought about homosexuality, because history until recently has largely been the history of the nobility.

As the overall culture became degenerate, the legions became degenerate, homosexuality was accepted, celebrated.

You have no basis for this claim. Then as now, there were people who thought that homosexuality was disgusting, those who were indifferent, and those who were homosexual or who treated homosexuals well.

Your concept isn't even logical. By your reasoning, homosexuality was accepted and widely practiced during the entire rise of the Roman Empire, but you aren't giving homosexuality credit for the building of the Empire, you at some arbitrary (and illogical point) then claim that homosexuality is responsible for the "fall" of the Empire.

I suggest that you do your own homework and stop repeating BS you hear from right wing chatterboxes.

[namvet]

Okay to Be Openly Gay in U.S. Military. just be prepared for a medic to remove those 25 bars of soap stuck up your ass.

[Novaheart]

Pilots constantly worry about anonymous complaints about salty language, while squadron commanders are awash in bureaucratic requirements for reports and statistics, he added.

“If we continue to suppress the warrior spirit, there will be no one left to defend the Constitution of the United States and we shall perish as a nation. .

I hardly think that making racist, sexist, homophobic, or other epithets part of your banter quantifies the "warrior spirit". If the only thing a group of people have to bond over is their stupid remarks and prejudices then the weakness runs much deeper than some lofty idea of what it means to be a warrior.

It also ill behooves those who fiercely defend every action, thought, and breath in uniform as a defense of the US Constitution to then claim that equal rights for gay people will be the undoing of the military, especially when the only thing that has changed is how one feels about it. Gay people were in the military before and they are in it now, and you're going to tell me that honesty in the matter is going to destroy it? That's ridiculous.

Which is not to say that there won't be some period of adjustment and that some people are going to feel put upon. Surely there will be. When privilege is revoked, and making disparaging remarks about a group of fellow soldiers without their being able to officially retaliate undoubtedly qualifies as a privilege, then even some who aren't terribly shallow feel the effects. Those who are incapable of getting through the day without making stupid remarks will find new ways to do it, subtle symbols and code amongst each other. It's was true last week and it will be true next week.

The IDF has allowed gay people to serve openly for over ten years now, and most people think the IDF is the second most ferocious military in the world (since we consider our own to be the best) , but even some American military consider the IDF to be pound for pound one formidable force. The IDF has personnel issues, and so does the US military. There are accusations of discrimination and inappropriate remarks and the like in the IDF, and in the US military. What date would we choose to claim is the point before which this was not an issue in the US military? Certainly not today.

[Novaheart]

Okay to Be Openly Gay in U.S. Military. just be prepared for a medic to remove those 25 bars of soap stuck up your ass.

So you are saying that fellow personnel can't be trusted to obey the laws of the land and the rules of the service not to mention not engage in rape by an object on a member of the same sex? Or are you simply venting?

[namvet]

So you are saying that fellow personnel can't be trusted to obey the laws of the land and the rules of the service not to mention not engage in rape by an object on a member of the same sex? Or are you simply venting?

times change. this may work here at home but on the front lines and especially in combat area's where politics is out the window they will be used and abused. already have. and many have left. moral is important. no way in hell I'd serve with em.

we had faggots in Nam. but they magically disappeared never to be heard from again.

[megimoo]

So you are saying that fellow personnel can't be trusted to obey the laws of the land and the rules of the service not to mention not engage in rape by an object on a member of the same sex? Or are you simply venting?

Ever hear of gays raping young guys in the showers and denying it claiming anti gay bias ? People in forward areas have weapons and if a guy is raped by a group of gays he's likely to be very angry, enough so that he seeks revenge......