11-04-2011, 05:48 PM
Sic Hacer Pace, Para Bellum.
Before you can do things for people, you must be the kind of man who can get things done. But to get things done, you must love the doing, not the people!
11-04-2011, 08:21 PM
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11-05-2011, 05:09 AM
Some of the guys here are anti-Ron just because they really don't like the guy or his supporters, you aren't going to change their minds. Their ideas about his positions and the potential benefit a Ron Paul platform could bring to this nation never even enters into the equation for these guys.
For those those who disagree about the "10%" of Ron's platform, which basically equates to foreign policy you are only about half right. If we were to implement Ron's foreign and military policies tomorrow, do you honestly believe the United States would cease to exist as a nation? Will the jihadi's show up on our shores in transports, with paratroopers and landing craft? Will Muslim tanks pull down our statue of Abraham Lincoln? Do you really believe the United States, the nation who soundly defeated Hitler and Hirohito simultaneously, needs to outspend radical Islamic elements by 10,000,000:1, and everyone else in the world by at least 10:1 in order to stay on top? Do you think that this ratio of spending makes us safer, like maybe if we spend $1,000,000 per jihadi the problem will go away? I'd like to think our military and ingenuity is well above and beyond throwing money and bodies at the problem, and that we can come up with a better solution with a smaller footprint and more decisive action. However, apparently I'm wrong in thinking that because not a single one of my children have seen a peacetime U.S. military, victorious against Radical Islam, in their lifetime. These are the points you need to think about, and fully explore the consequences before you just decide to go with the rhetoric. These insurgents and jihadis have less 5 percent the combat effectiveness of an 0121 (Admin Clerk) Marine, yet 10 years later we are still hunting them?
Ron's idea to implement a more elite and capable military with a smaller global footprint capable of striking our enemy quickly and decisively without all the political nation building/occupational bullshit is exactly the change in direction we need to get this job done. It's not good enough to spend trillions occupying Afghanistan while our enemies hide in Pakistan and Yemen and nobody does a damn thing about it. We wouldn't need to occupy Afghanistan to keep the Taliban from coming back if the Taliban was feeding vultures in Pakistan. If we had the military and political capability to hit them where they are, and hit them ruthlessly, like we were actually fighting a war, without leaving a resource draining, permanent colony for generations for come, I'm pretty damn sure we'd be a much safer America today.
You guys who believe the U.S. should be the world's policeman, which is basically what you argue for, go on and on about the intentions of radicalized Islam without ever comparing their intentions to their capabilities. Then, there's the industrial logistics angle, with Ron Paul's sharp free-market economics, we would have a strong economy, with an actual industrial and energy base within the U.S., not outsourced overseas. This industrial base would allow our military to go from the proposed, small-footprint elite force it would be, to a war machine behemoth overnight if it were ever needed. Right now, the U.S. would have the capability to ramp up and engage in a WWII-esque land war in Europe. We don't have the money in the bank. A peacetime, garrisoned military should be strong enough to defend the nation from invasion for long enough for the industrial war machine to come to the relief. They should also be advancing the profession of warfare when not in use for defense.
Honestly, I just don't see how you guys who are in, or have been in the military, don't see the benefits of this kind of thinking, it harkens to maneuver over attrition."In England a king hath little more to do than to make war and give away places; which in plain terms, is to impoverish the nation and set it together by the ears. A pretty business indeed for a man to be allowed eight hundred thousand sterling a year for, and worshipped into the bargain! Of more worth is one honest man to society and in the sight of God, than all the crowned ruffians that ever lived."
—Thomas Paine, Common Sense
11-05-2011, 12:03 PMNot so much defend America, but defend Americanism--something nobody has been able to compellingly prove exists.Deplorably Proud To Be An American
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