Thread: Thank you, Obamacare
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10-19-2011, 03:19 AM
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They didn't have the guts? I thoiught maybe they didn't have the money? Now they are shifting adult off spring to private health plans. Even if they are married, do not live at home or attend college. They now are burden on employee trust funds for insurance! If your 20 year old daughter is having kids, we now have the burden of having to pay her insurance also!
Guess who pays? Single guys like me, that have been real careful not to have any kids....I get to pay for the ones that did...I get a raise every year that is ate up by insurance costs going up..
I could just be a liberal, work part time for cash, and live off the system...but my values simply won't allow that.
Last edited by RobJohnson; 10-19-2011 at 03:24 AM.
10-19-2011, 11:25 AM
Canada does have longer than average wait times, that's true, but for the most part it only applies to less serious or elective procedures. THe more important the procedure, the faster you get in.
Also, Canada doesn't represent every national system. National systems in Europe tend to have very good and fast service. Canada is on the slower side that's why opponents to health care reform always point to it, but if we look at places like Germany we see far SHORTER wait times than in the US.Originally Posted by Adam Smith - Wealth of Nations
10-19-2011, 01:06 PM
Good? Well think about it. Will the employee use the extra cash to buy insurance? In most cases, probably the extra cash will go to something like payments for a new car or a 52" flat screen TV.
People are like that!
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10-19-2011, 05:57 PM
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Libs want us to have the same kind of insurance they have in England where dentists give instructions to patients on how to pull their own teeth.
10-19-2011, 06:13 PM
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I don't know what shithole town or insurance policy you have but I can call my GP and get an appointment the next day and schedule any type of surgery within 1 week. EU and Canaida can not come close. In other words, you are a liar.
Last edited by lacarnut; 10-19-2011 at 06:15 PM.
10-19-2011, 09:03 PM
Living where I do, much of our population is already 30 minutes or more from the nearest medical help. After single-payer, they'll end up from 60 to 90 minutes from the nearest ER.
It will also drive the most experienced doctors right into retirement...so we'll end up "making do" the way they do in the UK, with nurses being used as doctors. Nurses are vital to patient care, but a 2 year LPN or 3 year RN degree does not give them anything like the 8 to 10 years doctors spend in school and residency.
Both of these things will lead to much higher rates of death in accidents, health problems, and births...but hey, at least they all died insured!!!
You know, if I added up all my medical bills from the time I was first covered (when I was in my mid-20's with 3 kids) to today (I'm 52), even with the inexpensive insurance I've had, I'll bet I could have paid cash for all my medical vists, and all those for my kids, and still have money left. It would have saved me money to go without insurance and make the payments directly to the provider...and it would have saved the provider from needing specially trained people that could sort out all the stupid red tape to properly code and bill every visit. My kids and I never went without healthcare when we didn't have insurance, but after I bought it, there were times I couldnt' afford to pay for a prescription any more. :mad:-
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