Last edited by Zathras; 11-02-2011 at 12:05 AM.
Okay, IF the bottles and rocks were that bad, then I could see use of force against that. However, I've seen this up close. What sometimes happens is that one or two people are doing something and then the cops use it to excuse taking it out on the entire crowd. That may not have been the case on this case. I will admit that the girl here is being a total ass.
I still don't think that throwing a canister where you know it will hit somebody and doing it because they're responding to somebody who got hurt is appropriate.
I also object to this junk that if the cops instruct you to leave and you don't, then it's fair to go after you violently. Sometimes, I think people just want to support any nasty action for the sake of their cause, just like this girl on the video.
It's still not a black/white issue.
OK, seems as though someone here needs an education in dealing with mobs. It goes in stages. The first stage is literally asking nicely: "This is the Oakland police department. You are trespassing on private property. Please disperse and return to your homes." Now, chances are, this is met with some resistance. A 2nd warning is given: "Please disperse immediately. This will be your final warning." This is usually the part where the morons decide their best course of action would be to start throwing bottles and rocks at the cops. But don't be stupid Lainie. Cops just don't step in and start throwing tear gas around like it's Christmas candy. Warnings are issued. The idiots are given ample opportunity to go their merry ways. They chose to ignore the warnings and started acting the fool. A beat down is something they deserved.
I pray that this man recovers fully from his injuries. Only a sadistic jackass would suggest he "deserved it" or wasn't a real war vet.
That being said...He's typical of many Marines I met while serving. A self diagnosed "idealist" and "free thinker" who hates for the sake of being a hater. I worked my way up, became a Sergeant, Earned the respect of the Marines who worked for me and the officers I worked for, by becoming knowledgeble in my MOS and proving myself on 3 Continents.
Marines like Olsen were a dime a dozen, unfortunetly. Misguided fools who joined the Marine Corps with the idea that they'd be the next Audie Murphy or Marcus Luttrell....who would ride to prominence on the back of military victory in battle and be remembered like Patton, MacArthur, Bradley, McChrystal or Petraeus....and sadly, they end up being what they were in life before they joined the Marines.
A shitbird. A douchebag. A loser. But worse....a loser with a USMC tattoo. Someone who served their country, enjoys the privledges of doing so (VFW and American Legion status, fully paid College under the post 9/11 GI Bill, veterans discounts and the respect of having served) while simultaneously being a piece of crap who never deserved earning the title of US Marine in the first place. Becoming a Marine doesn't require selling your soul to Uncle Sam...but it does involve being highly patriotic, learning a trade, maintaining a warrior mindset and managing and serving younger Marines like an effective leader. That's something men like Olsen will never understand.
Rock, I did respond to those who said the stupid junk. Apocolypse suggested the marine deserved no sympathy because of inflammatory comments. Zathres suggested that they deserved it for not following instructions (he didn't say throwing bottles, but SIMPLY for not following instructions). Guess what happened? People argued with my objection to it. It's not my fault that people want to support a cause or a poster who supports the cause no matter how stupid or immoral some of the arguments go.
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