Now that's just mean spirited!!!!:mad::mad:
These clowns are greyt!!!!
I've been told the movement is good because people can't find jobs. I guess I can post this vid to my facebook later or show it to this person.
Outstanding work gentlemen. Worth a quick look.
I will give $500 to any one of those dweebs, TODAY!, to do what I do, day after day....
They are correct that these jobs are not enough to pay bills and support a family, but they should be willing to do hard work.
Hard work is a value that is lost on a lot (but not all) of left-wingers. They think getting up early and working hard all day is authoritarian and they believe being lazy somehow is "sticking it to the man". The greatest left-wingers in history were extremely hard working and dedicated to doing their jobs well.
The left today needs to re-appropriate values that the left of the 60's abandoned. Discipline, order, authority, regularity, and especially HARD WORK. I find it hard to respect any left-winger who has never worked hard a day in their lives.
Some of the hardest working people I've known were still below or right at the poverty level and struggled their entire lives because of circumstances outside of their control. I think anyone who is willing to put in full time hours of hard work deserve a living wage, respect, dignity, job security, and all of the benefits that elites get. A janitor or dishwasher doesn't need to get paid the same as a mechanical engineer, but they should still be able to pay their bills, support their family, send their kids to school, and be treated with respect.
However, if you aren't willing to do work (and you are able to), you get no sympathy from me.
Still, I do understand matching your values with your work. If a pro-choice christian refuses to take a job at an abortion clinic, that is their choice, but I respect their choice because they are standing by their values and not participating in a system that they view as evil. I would not judge a pro-choice Christian for turning down a job offer at an abortion clinic, and I will not judge a recovering alcoholic for refusing to work at a bar, and I will not judge an anti-war peace activitist for refusing to work for Raytheon.
Last edited by Wei Wu Wei; 11-09-2011 at 10:50 PM.
However, one of the primary problems with a lot of fast food places and retail is that they literally refuse to hire full time in most cases. I think the best thing to do is to work for those places until they give you full time work or until you find it elsewhere. That's where *I* sort of think a lot of companies are greedy, their refusal to hire anybody full time. And people can fuss all you want at me, it won't change my opinion.
Now, back to the protesters. Besides the fact that some of the jobs won't be enough to support their family (although some money is better than no money), the truth is they're sticking their noses up at banks and the Department of Defense. What they don't realize is that common, every day people work for these places. I'm currently trying to get into a health care company into the customer service section because I want that permanent, full time work I'm talking about. I told one of my liberal friends about it, and he joked around about "Good luck with the evil empire." I know it was a joke, but he meant it. It's like that head hunter said though, you can change things from the inside. Imagine if I became the CEO of a major healthcare company. Then, in thirty years, I could run for President presenting my CEO expertise as the reason I know stuff about the economy. Watch the Republicans throw a fit....
Last edited by Lanie; 11-09-2011 at 11:48 PM.
If what's good for shareholders is not what's good for the workers, the shareholders will always win out in this system, if you get hired as CEO or CFO for this company, and you start changing things so that the workers benefit at the expense of the shareholders, you will not have that job for long.
Changing things from the inside, without addressing the structural issues within which you are working, is doomed to fail.
I really like the idea of Germany's Codetermination law, that requires management boards to be split 50/50, with half of the people on the board representing shareholders, and half ot the people on the board representing workers.
This law takes the natural antagonism between owners and workers into account.
Idealists will say "well workers can always just become shareholders", but that ignores the reality of the situation. Most people working for fast food or other low-paying jobs barely make enough money to support themselves or their families, they simply do not make enough money and do not have enough benefits or security to save and invest enough money to really do this. Some people maybe, but most low-payed workers can not.
The evidence of this is clear from looking at the distribution of stock ownership. The top 1% and 10% own nearly all of the financial assets like stocks in the country, the bottom 50% owns nearly none of it. The people working these jobs are in the bottom 50% (or even lower, the bottom 25%), and they own a tiny fraction of a percent of the financial wealth.
So suggesting that subway workers simply purchase subway stock in order to level it out totally ignores the reality of the situation today.
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