11-12-2011, 03:13 PM
I've already posted a site that you can go to for school statistics. Look at high and low performing schools and see what percentage of their students are classified as economically disadvantaged. The connection is undeniable.
A 12 year old who doesn't have a secure place to sleep or a dinner to eat isn't concerned with showing their work on a math problem.
A 13 year old who has to take care of their younger siblings every night of the week isn't going to get their homework done and isn't going to get enough sleep to perform well in class.
Any young student who doesn't spend time with their parents because those parents work multiple jobs are going to manifest a range of academic and emotional issues.
A student who gets evicted from their home and is forced to move a few times a year is never going to be able to do well in school when they change schools so frequently.
The social and emotional issues that arise from living in economically challenging situations stay with these children. They are not adults, they are not able to compartmentalize their issues. As adults, if we are having a problem at home, we can still go to work and focus on the task at hand. Children are not able to do this.
If you deny the connection between poverty and education, you are deliberately ignoring reality to make some stupid political point, and that directly hurts children.Originally Posted by Adam Smith - Wealth of Nations
11-12-2011, 03:43 PM
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Wei your pulling crap out of your ass.
This is a golden question right here.
The nations that outperform us have certain characteristics in common:
1. They generally offer subsidized or partially subsidized access to universities or trade schools, so it is expected that every child is going to pursue higher education, so they are all prepared at that level.
2. They have more progressive tax structures to fund education properly.
and most importantly:
3. They have incredibly low levels (compared to us) of inequality, high amounts of workers programs, and strong social safety nets, plus universal healthcare. The result of this is clear as day, the gap between the rich and the poor shrinks, and even for the economically disadvantaged in their countries, they are still able to get access to education and health care and unemployment benefits as much as anyone else.
Singapore is ranked #1 in education in the world. It also has the greatest inequality in the world when it comes to the rich-poor gap among countries! Its larger then ours.
In fact the top 10 nations, are within 4% or less of the inequality gap when it comes to the US with the exception of 2. Singapore which is greater then us, and Taiwan. Ranked #1 in education.
Singapore - Amid a flurry of calls by Members of Parliament (MPs) for the Government to do more to help a variety of groups - from the elderly to the disabled, Acting Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports Chan Chun Sing said yesterday that his ministry was prepared to "exercise greater flexibility ... and extend more support where needed".
Ranked #2 in education.
To make matters worse, they can expect little in the way of unemployment or welfare benefits. In Japan, a country with little experience of widespread unemployment until recently, there is an inadequate safety net.
Ranked #4 in education.
However, behind Hong Kongís glitz and glamour lies one of the most grotesquely unequal societies in Asia and the world.
And it goes on and on. So that part of how they are all more equality and better social makeup is BS.Rest In Peace America
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11-12-2011, 09:18 PM
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A lot of kids are not college material and should learn a trade and then go to work. Sometimes a person gets a better education when he or she matures and has a genuine need of schooling. It may take longer but it can be done a little bit at a time. That is how I got my schooling.
11-13-2011, 11:50 AM
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If school administrators were made to justify their salaries to STATE and LOCAL officials and not worry about Federal funding guidelines, it would begin to fix some of the decades of liberal induced problems.
Then perhaps the schools could return to teaching instead of the PC, touchy-feely, revisionist history, and focus on non essential material crap that now pervades our schools.Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil.
C. S. Lewis
Do not ever say that the desire to "do good" by force is a good motive. Neither power-lust nor stupidity are good motives. (Are you listening Barry)?:mad:
11-13-2011, 01:49 PM
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Why should I pay a dime for someone to get tech training??
Why don't you get a loan for 15k, get your welding certificate, then make 80k-100k per year??
If your "degree" can return 5-6 times the total investment in 1 year, I do not need to give you a dime for your education.
If your "degree" can return 1/2 the total investment in 1 year, find a better "degree."
11-13-2011, 06:19 PM
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11-14-2011, 11:35 AM
I don't believe in a free pass for people.
I wish that things like health care and college educations were affordable for the middle class again, like they were when I was younger. My parents weren't rich, but college was affordable to the middle class. Even people who had less than us could afford it with loans. Paying back the loans wasn't so much of a problem, then, because the overall tuition costs were low.
Health care is affordable for the healthy, the wealthy, and those who are lucky enough to have good jobs that provide insurance. Even then, a chronic condition can lead to thousands in medical bills that no one but the wealthy can afford to pay. It didn't use to be like that.
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