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    Venezuela's Chavez says US ambassador must leave



    CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - President Hugo Chavez says the U.S. ambassador has 72 hours to leave Venezuela and he's recalling his ambassador from Washington.

    Chavez said he's asking U.S. Ambassador Patrick Duddy to leave as a means of showing solidarity with Bolivian President Evo Morales, who expelled Washington's envoy in La Paz.

    "They're trying to here what they were doing in Bolivia," Chavez said. "That's enough ... from you, Yankees," he said, using an expletive.

    Chavez announced the decision during a televised speech, hours after saying his government had detained a group of alleged conspirators in a plot to overthrow him.

    Chavez accused the group of current and former military officers of trying to assassinate him and topple the government with support from the United States. He didn't offer evidence.

    U.S. officials have repeatedly denied Chavez's accusations that Washington has backed plots against him.


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    It gets worse

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080912/D935534G1.html

    Bolivian political clashes spark diplomatic crisis
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    Sep 12, 7:21 AM (ET)

    By CARLOS VALDEZ

    LA PAZ, Bolivia (AP) - Violent clashes over this fractured nation's political future have claimed eight lives and unleashed a diplomatic crisis, with Bolivia and the U.S. expelling each other's ambassadors.

    Venezuela, meanwhile, kicked out its top U.S. diplomat and the South American allies demanded that Washington stay out of their affairs.

    Anti-government protesters fought backers of President Evo Morales in Bolivia's pro-autonomy east with clubs, machetes and guns Thursday, killing at least eight people and injuring 20, authorities reported.
    This would be why Chavez is panicking.

    The demonstrators also seized natural gas fields, halting half of Bolivia's gas exports to Brazil, its No. 1 customer, for nearly seven hours, according to the affected Transierra pipeline company.

    "We're going to tolerate only so much. Patience has its limits," Morales told supporters on Thursday. The Aymara Indian and former coca growers' union leader has so far hesitated to mobilize the military, fearing major bloodshed.

    Vice President Alvaro Garcia announced a day of national mourning.

    Meanwhile, U.S. officials angered by Morales' decision to expel Washington's ambassador for allegedly inciting opposition protesters responded Thursday by kicking out Bolivia's envoy to the United States.
    The US is not involved in this..what we are seeing is, IMO, blowback for the worsening political and economic situation. Chavez has to know that he is on a branch in a high wind.

    Nationalising industries and losing foreign investment was a serious mistake.Idealism and dogma do not fill an empty stomach..a mistake another leader made...and may not live to regret

    "In response to unwarranted actions and in accordance with the Vienna Convention (on diplomatic protocol), we have officially informed the government of Bolivia of our decision to declare Ambassador Gustavo Guzman persona non grata," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said. Diplomats declared "persona non grata" are generally given 72 hours to depart.

    When it gets this bad...we can expect the situation to flare soon..my guess is this will start in Bolivia..and what Chavez is terrified of is that the rebellion will be a forest fire. His people are starving,inflation is out of control...and he just tried to become El Presidente for life..until the referendum was defeated.


    The conflict in Bolivia centers on Morales' plans to redo the constitution and redirect gas revenues. Bolivia's conservative, energy-rich eastern provinces oppose those plans, and on Thursday two weeks of protests turned violent as demonstrators stormed public offices, blocked roads and seized the gas fields.
    Now where have we heard this before....

    Opposition groups also are demanding that Morales cancel a Dec. 7 nationwide vote on a new constitution that would help him centralize power, run for a second consecutive term and transfer fallow terrain to landless peasants from Bolivia's poor indigenous majority.

    Chavez, mark 2?
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    This is going to get VERY bad.

    Chavez in Venezuela.
    Bolivia.
    Cuba

    They are now having the Russians and the Chinese bring in their military equipment.

    Bad Bad Bad!


    BTW - I've been to both Venezuela and Bolivia. Bolivia is highly unstable and highly corrupt.
    If leftists didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnabend View Post
    It gets worse
    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080912/D935534G1.html
    This would be why Chavez is panicking.
    The US is not involved in this..what we are seeing is, IMO, blowback for the worsening political and economic situation. Chavez has to know that he is on a branch in a high wind.
    Nationalising industries and losing foreign investment was a serious mistake.Idealism and dogma do not fill an empty stomach..a mistake another leader made...and may not live to regret

    When it gets this bad...we can expect the situation to flare soon..my guess is this will start in Bolivia..and what Chavez is terrified of is that the rebellion will be a forest fire. His people are starving,inflation is out of control...and he just tried to become El Presidente for life..until the referendum was defeated.


    Now where have we heard this before....


    Chavez, mark 2?
    This is Allende 3.0, right down to the specious claims of US agitation. The difference is that Venezuela will probably send troops to shore up Morales if he gets deposed.

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    OUCH..you're right.

    Shit Major....now why didnt I see that? :eek:
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    Nambe (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-12-08 07:02 PM
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    McCain Attacks Obama Over Venezuela

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    Sen. John McCain today blasted the expulsion of the U.S. ambassador from Venezuela -- and at the same time the Republican presidential nominee sharply attacked his Democratic rival for suggesting he would meet with Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez during his first year in office. ...

    ... By contrast, he said, Sen. Barak Obama "calls for meeting directly and unconditionally with the region's worst tyrants.... Rather than focus on strengthening America's ties with friends and allies, he has pledged to sit down with dictators in Venezuela and Cuba in the first year of his presidency. Such a course of action would undermine our democratic allies and embolden anti-American dictators. The United States, and our partners throughout Latin America, cannot afford Senator Obama's brand of unilateralism that rewards Hugo Chavez and his dangerous despotism." ...

    Read more: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/12/m...
    of course they defend Chavez
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    1. Uh, John...they provide 40% of our oil...I think it might make sense

    to talk to them...unless you wa
    U.S.-Venezuela Oil Ties

    Though Venezuela has repeatedly threatened to cut off its oil exports to the United States, analysts say the two countries are mutually dependent. Venezuela supplies about 1.5 million barrels of crude oil and refined petroleum products to the U.S. market every day, according to the EIA. Venezuelan oil comprises about 11 percent of U.S. crude oil imports, which amounts to 60 percent of Venezuela’s total exports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnabend View Post
    OUCH..you're right.

    Shit Major....now why didnt I see that? :eek:
    It's my job. :D
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    of course they defend Chavez
    If we start drilling now, we can bankrupt Venezuela in a decade. That alone would be worth it.
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    It's my job. :D
    That, sir, is NOT how you encourage your battle staff. :(

    *mutter* :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyOldLady View Post
    This is going to get VERY bad.

    Chavez in Venezuela.
    Bolivia.
    Cuba

    They are now having the Russians and the Chinese bring in their military equipment.

    Bad Bad Bad!


    BTW - I've been to both Venezuela and Bolivia. Bolivia is highly unstable and highly corrupt.
    The stage is being set and the pieces positioned.

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