Last edited by Zathras; 12-12-2011 at 01:46 PM.
Are you saying we should kill civilians because terrorists kill civilians? We should not be trying to be just like them, that's insane.
What makes someone a terrorist? The color of their skin? Their religion? Something in their DNA? or is it their actions?
If you think we should stoop to their level, and engage in killing civilians in countries we aren't at war with, because that's what they do, then it almost sounds like you are suggesting we should out-terrorist them. If they do a terrorist-thing, we should do it harder!
If that's the case, what the hell are we fighting for or against?
Seems to me that we go to the extreme not to kill civilians in these current wars. Accidents happen because nothing is perfect.
In regular wars, against nations, the civilians are as much the enemy as the soldier in the field. Those civilians make bullets, build tanks, planes, etc and grow food. They support and contribute to the war effort, and should be fair game.
The simple fact is that the efforts we take to mitigate the number of innocent casualties goes beyond anything anyone has ever tried in the past. We view a single wrongful death as one to many, and we take every step possible to avoid it, including putting our own lives in extra danger because of it.
War is hell. Mistakes are made. Especially when time sensitive targets are in play. You want to bemoan dead civilians, put in on the ones who are putting them in harms way. The ones who hide among them, who use them as shields. They are the ones you should be waving your moral stick at, asshole.
The atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, OTOH, targeted industrial centers that were critical to Japan's war effort, even though there were large numbers of civilians present. In fact, it is the obligation of combatant powers to separate military and civilian facilities in order to reduce the risk of collateral damage, but the Japanese deliberately sited their munitions plants in major population centers. Also, the laws that protect civilians, the Geneva Conventions, do not apply to non-signatory powers, and Japan was not a signatory (in fact, the Japanese revelled in violating the terms of the conventions whenever they could). Japan's prior conduct also exposed them to retaliation, in that Japan had previously bombed civilians in China and the Philippines, and had abrogated the protections of the Geneva Conventions by doing so. The bombing also resulted in millions of saved Japanese lives, as the invasion of the home islands would have incurred horrific casualties, as Okinawa demonstrated. In short, it was legal and moral to do so.
US asks Iran to return captured drone
President Barack Obama has said the US government has requested that Tehran return the surveillance drone captured by Iran's military earlier this month.
Mr Obama said he would not comment on classified intelligence matters, but confirmed: "We have asked for it back. We'll see how the Iranians respond."
There is a reason the drone is seen with flags hiding the undercarriage. I am not sure what the reason is, but there is a reason; that is not an accident.
In reading about the RQ-170 I learned that it is programmed to fly level if contact is lost. Don't know if it attempts to stay in the same area or tries to go home, but it does fly level. And that's how it hit the ground. Flying level.
So I'm suspecting the sensors where damaged - perhaps badly damaged - when it 'landed'. And I'm suspecting that the Iranians just lucked out and witnessed the landing. I don't believe they tracked it somehow. I know the Pakistanis couldn't detect it because it was used in the Bin Laden raid and evidently was never challenged.
Information or thoughts, anyone?
Maybe we are using it as a Trojan horse and let them have it on purpose as part of a larger plan.
That's what I'd like to hope.
Or not, and our POTUS is just purposely letting them take their time looking it over like he did
in Pok-E-ston with the helicopter tail section. I would think these things could be destroyed from
from the air in a flash before anyone could get their hand on them. I would hope that our drones
have a self destruct feature that could be set off remotely.
In other news (and needs its own thread) Lebannon has outted all of our CIA agents in their country.
There sure is a lot of our country's secret and classified shit being passed around the world these
days. Kinda makes one wonder if we are just getting careless or if we have a traitor in high places.
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